Surname - Romano, southern Italy, late 1800's

[VaDeb]

This is a wonderful site. Amazing how everyone working together can find so much from so little information to start with.

I'll add me two cents, I think the father's name is Cataldo.

Debbie

[suanj]

yes is CATALDO first name..tipical of Italy south..suanj

[Buona]

This might be a lead --

MFJP can you do a lookup for Boston arrivals

Maria Romano
Guiseppe Romano Birth: year - location, Italy
Other: location
Other: dd mm year - location
Other: location
Source: Immigration - Boston Passenger Lists, 1891-1943

This is the link I used for the search

http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse. ... submit.y=9


Thanks

[brujaojos]

1930 Census...
Name Family Members Home in 1930
Joe Romano spouse Maria Romano Helper, Carbon, UT abt 1886 Italy
Maria Romano spouse Joe Romano Helper, Carbon, UT abt 1894   Wife
Filomina Romano Helper, Carbon, UT abt 1916   Daughter
Josephine Romano Helper, Carbon, UT abt 1918   Daughter
Frank Romano Helper, Carbon, UT abt 1921   Son
Rosia Romano Carbon, UT abt 1928   Daughter

This census says he immigrated in 1903

and again, Maria in 1913...

Fantastic. I always thought they were married in Italy and came over together. This is SO interesting

H Jeri,

Here are a few good sites for Utah and how to obtain records.

http://www.lofthouse.com/USA/Utah/carbon/research.html

http://www.kindredtrails.com/UT_Carbon.html

http://www.rootsweb.com/~utalhn/immigration.html

Have a great day!
Trish

[mfjp]

Hi Buona, just logged in... as requested... will also post the 1930 census a little later.

Name:   Maria Romano
Arrival Date:   25 Apr 1915
Age:   19 years
Estimated Birth Year:   1896
Gender:   Female
Ethnic Background:   Italian (South)
Port of Departure:   Naples, Italy
Ship Name:   Canopic
Port of Arrival:   Boston, Massachusetts
Friend's Name:   Guiseppe Romano
Last Residence:   Italy
Birthplace:   Cerluzo, Italy
Microfilm Roll Number:   231

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mfjp

[wldspirit]

Here is everything I could pull up in the Utah Newspaper;

The following names and dates are all Carbon County………
10/15/1900
Anthony T. Romano and Frank Romano working at Bald Mountain /
Coal Mining
11/19/1914
Serafina Romano and Luigi Guarascio marriage license nov. 16th
2/4/1915
Bishop Albert Bryner united in marriage Pasquale Romano and Antoinette
Panzerini.
7/26/1917
Frank Romano of Helper….Carbon County Boys in first call for nations
New army
9/13/1917
Frank Romano of Helper……boys reporting for army duty….going away
Party.
9/3/1925
Serafina Romano Guarascio marriage to Pasquale Tunno….
1/15/1942
Lola Jensen…….school teacher…engagement/marriage to Pat Romano
11/12/1942
Lola Romano …….on high school newspaper staff.

wldspirit
Lee

[mfjp]

http://img86.exs.cx/img86/5445/rom19304go.jpg

Here is the link to the 1930 census for your records...

1930 Census...
Name Family Members Home in 1930
Joe Romano spouse Maria Romano Helper, Carbon, UT abt 1886 Italy
Maria Romano spouse Joe Romano Helper, Carbon, UT abt 1894   Wife
Filomina Romano Helper, Carbon, UT abt 1916   Daughter
Josephine Romano Helper, Carbon, UT abt 1918   Daughter
Frank Romano Helper, Carbon, UT abt 1921   Son
Rosia Romano Carbon, UT abt 1928   Daughter
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Wonder if or how the people Lee listed are related to either Maria or Giuseppe! That's a great find Lee... sometimes looking into other names really help... there's always a surprise somewhere....

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If yes is not possible that married in Italy.. why in 1913 Mary only 13 old....
regards, suanj

... no, in 1913, Mary was 19... I don't think they were married in Italy either...

Thank you Debbie and suanj for the "Cataldo" name transcribed earlier! There are a few of them... I will check them out. I am just trying to see if this particular Maria had other siblings that went to America to be with father Cataldo... so far, the manifest I posted earlier is the closest I could get to Jeri's Maria... but the age is right, the birth town sounds pretty close to "Castalanna"...but I am not convinced yet that it is her..

mfjp

[wldspirit]

speculation here....but could Joe and Maria's son Frank born abt. 1921,
be named after Joe's brother Frank? Jeri mentions a grave........and the Frank Romano I found was going off to the army in 1917?????????

Also....don't know if it means anything.....I forgot about the name Minnie........but in searching for Romano's......I pulled up a Minnie Vieta.......didn't stop to think that the name was Italian or that there could possibly be an elder Minnie...........
she was mentioned in carbon county in 1925........

wldspirit
Lee

thanks mfjp!! still a rookie......

[jeri71]

speculation here....but could Joe and Maria's son Frank born abt. 1921,
be named after Joe's brother Frank? Jeri mentions a grave........and the Frank Romano I found was going off to the army in 1917?????????

Also....don't know if it means anything.....I forgot about the name Minnie........but in searching for Romano's......I pulled up a Minnie Vieta.......didn't stop to think that the name was Italian or that there could possibly be an elder Minnie...........
she was mentioned in carbon county in 1925........

wldspirit
Lee

thanks mfjp!! still a rookie......

Joe did in fact have a brother named Frank. It is very possible that he left for the army in 1917.

Talking with my mom today, she didn't believe the census that said Minnie's name was Filomina OR that Joe's name was Guiseppe so she pulled up an old photo of my Grandma Jo and Aunt Minnie and read the writing on the back to prove me wrong. It said (in Minnie's writing) "Filomina and Guisepysina, 1919. I was born Filomina named after my paternal grandmother. Jo was named Guisepysina after our father but we called her papina (little pepper). Later her name was Americanized to Josephynne and I was re-named Minnie by my first grade teacher."

SO. Joe had a brother Frank and a mother named Filomina (in keeping with the Italian naming tradition.) Still no idea what his father's name could be. My dad thinks that the writing on the ship manifest reads that she is going to stay with HIS father, not hers, in New York. Could Joe's father be Cataldo? I have never heard that any of Maria's family came to America. My mom said her family arranged for her to be married but she didn't want to, maybe she came alone? Again, tricky with the shared last names.

The first manifest seems closer than the second, BUT still no hard proof.

thanks!

jeri

[Essgee]

The father's name on the manifest is Cataldo. He arrived in 1911 on the San Giorgio, age 42. Must have returned and then arrived again in 1912 on the San Guglielmo. He went to Fayette, NY. His wife was Antonio Drago and she remained in Italy until 1921 when she arrived on the ship Caserta, at the age of 50.

[mfjp]

Heres the one from 1912... same Cataldo from Castellaneta... going to Giuseppe Drago's place (nephew)... wife is Antonia Drago...
First Name: Cataldo
Last Name: Romano
Ethnicity: Italy-Ital. South
Last Place of Residence: Castellaneta, Italy
Date of Arrival: February 08, 1912
Age at Arrival:  44y    Gender:  M    Marital Status:  M  
Ship of Travel: San Guglielmo
Port of Departure: Naples
Manifest Line Number: 0017

http://ellisisland.org/search/shipManif ... 0081%2ETIF

http://ellisisland.org/search/shipManif ... 0081%2ETIF

heres another....

http://ellisisland.org/search/shipManif ... 2700130571
First Name: Cataldo Luigi
Last Name: Romano
Ethnicity: Italy, So Italian
Last Place of Residence: Longobucco (south Italy) Cosenza
Date of Arrival: October 14, 1903
Age at Arrival:  31y    Gender:  M    Marital Status:  M  
Ship of Travel: Prinzess Irene
Port of Departure: Naples
Manifest Line Number: 0007

This one is going to brother in--law's Giuseppe's place?

[suanj]

Heres the one from 1912... same Cataldo from Castellaneta... going to Giuseppe Drago's place (nephew)... wife is Antonia Drago...
First Name: Cataldo
Last Name: Romano
Ethnicity: Italy-Ital. South
Last Place of Residence: Castellaneta, Italy
Date of Arrival: February 08, 1912
Age at Arrival:  44y    Gender:  M    Marital Status:  M  
Ship of Travel: San Guglielmo
Port of Departure: Naples
Manifest Line Number: 0017

http://ellisisland.org/search/shipManif ... 0081%2ETIF

http://ellisisland.org/search/shipManif ... 0081%2ETIF

heres another....

http://ellisisland.org/search/shipManif ... 2700130571
First Name: Cataldo Luigi
Last Name: Romano
Ethnicity: Italy, So Italian
Last Place of Residence: Longobucco (south Italy) Cosenza
Date of Arrival: October 14, 1903
Age at Arrival:  31y    Gender:  M    Marital Status:  M  
Ship of Travel: Prinzess Irene
Port of Departure: Naples
Manifest Line Number: 0007

This one is going to brother in--law's Giuseppe's place?

this are ROMANO records from birthregistries of Castellaneta:

Niccolò Cataldo Romano
birthdate: 23/01/1856
father: Alessandro Romano age 25
mother: Maria Francesca Ziferro age 24

Alessandro Romano
birthdate: 01/01/1829
father: Nicola Romano age 21 birthdate 01/01/1808


Rosa Nicola Romano
birthdate:: 07/12/1853
father: Alessandro Romano age 24
mother: Maria Francesca Ziferro age 23


Annunziata Romano
birthdate: 01/01/1812

Raffaele Antonio Romano
birthdate: 16/02/1850
father: Giuseppe Romano age 40
mother: Isabella Larizza age 36

Antonia Romano
birthdate: 01/01/1822

Maria Rosaria Romano
birthdate: 30/03/1848
father: Gaetano Romano age 37
mother: Francesca Picaro age 35

Giuseppe Romano
birthdate: 01/01/1807

Gaetano Romano
birthdate: 01/01/1811

Maria Rosaria Romano
birthdate: 14/07/1849
father: Gaetano Romano age 38
mother: Francesca Picaro age 35

Antonia Romano
birthdate: 01/01/1810

Chiara Romano
birthdate: 01/01/1813

Maria Giuseppa Romano
birthdate: 01/01/1804


Anna Maria Romano
birthdate: 03/12/1847
father: Giuseppe Romano age 40
mother: Isabella Larizza age 35

Giuseppe Romano
birthdate: 01/01/1814

Giuseppe Romano
birthdate: 01/01/1802

Luigi Michele Romano
birthdate: 06/08/1845
Nome del padre: Giuseppe Romano age 43
mother: Isabella Larizza age 33

Maria Francesca Romano
birthdate: 01/01/1808

Giuseppe Tommaso Romano
birthdate: 10/06/1845
father: Gaetano Romano age 35
mother: Francesca Picaro age 33

Maria Teresa Romano
birthdate: 01/01/1806


http://www.genealogiaitalia.com/castell ... ipoPagina=

regards,
suanj

[wldspirit]

For Utah, Carbon County.........

Records Available at Family History Center
Birth records for 1898-1918
Death records for 1898-1905
Marriage record Index for 1894-1966
Marriage Licenses for 1894-1966
Draft Registration records for WWI
Early Probate records


Naturalization Records
Naturalization records are available from the Carbon County Courthouse for $2.00 per sheet plus a possible $1.00 search fee. You can contact the courthouse to see if records are available. There is also an index available at the Family History Library in Price. You may e-mail Kathy Hamaker and I'll be happy to check the index for you. Some of the records that are available are: Petition for naturalization, Declaration of Intent, certificate of arrival, application to become citizen, some include photos, and other letters and documents. Not all records are available for all individuals. The address is: Carbon County Courthouse, 120 East Main Street, Price, Utah 84501


Carbon County Court House
Copies of marriage applications and marriage certificates are available for $3.00 from the court house. Carbon County Courthouse, 120 East Main Street, Price, Utah 84501


web site.......
http://www.lofthouse.com/USA/Utah/carbon/research.html

maybe this will help.....if you can pull up any records on the names you have you may be able to uncover Maria/Mary's surname as well as parents names, same for Joe/Frank.......maybe even town of origin!!

wldspirit
Lee

[jeri71]

The father's name on the manifest is Cataldo. He arrived in 1911 on the San Giorgio, age 42. Must have returned and then arrived again in 1912 on the San Guglielmo. He went to Fayette, NY. His wife was Antonio Drago and she remained in Italy until 1921 when she arrived on the ship Caserta, at the age of 50.

Going by Minnie's writing on the photo, if Cataldo is Joe's father, his wife's name would be Filomina. Alternatley, if Cataldo is Maria's father, his wife would be Domenica. However, since cousins often have the same names, they could use, or be traveling under a middle name....

BUT, along the same line of reasoning, if Cataldo had a newphew named Giuseppe, it would be reasonable to assume he might have a son with the same name.

tricky tricky

jeri

[jeri71]

Cataldo lived with his wife Ann and family in Brooklyn, Kings, New York (1930 census) However, there is a Joseph Romano that also lived in Brooklyn in 1910, as a boarder (1910 census). He worked as a shoemaker. It is possible that Cataldo returned to Italy to find a wife for Joseph?

With the same last names, is it possible that Joseph and Maria were cousins?

Joseph and Maria had a son older than Filomina (Minnie) named Carlo. When Minnie was born, he was about 1 and died of pnemonia.

The only thing that is hanging me up is the wording of the manifest "...going to live with HIS (or HER) father Cataldo in Brooklyn, NY..." If it's HIS father, his wife's name should be Filomina. If it's HER father, I didn't think any of Maria's family came to America, they all stayed in Italy. It's more likely that it's Joesph's father.

I wish we could find when/where they were married...

jeri