Thanks.
Anything on Vincenzo Forte who died on 29/4/1964?
Paul
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Was he the Irish Vincenzo? Unfortunately I don't know much about him other than his name, his children, and a dusty family photo. Even his date of death is news to me. I'm fascinated to find out though!
Marisa
Marisa
Visocchi, Forte, Marcantonio, Iannetta
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I'm pretty sure he was in Ireland. His brother was the Giuseppe who died in the Arandora Star and he had several children, one of whom is Clementina. I think he was born in 1888, possibly in London.
Paul
Paul
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Going back to Celeste (one of your ancestors who married Caterina)....did he have siblings Libero, Leonardo, Antonio and Alessandra? If so, I know something about their descendants, but you may know this already.
Going back to Pasqualina, your great grandfather Marco's sister.....did she die on 19/10/1930? If so, she was married to the Vincenzo that I've been talking about, who was mayor of Casalattico for a while. Could be a really important link.
Paul
Going back to Pasqualina, your great grandfather Marco's sister.....did she die on 19/10/1930? If so, she was married to the Vincenzo that I've been talking about, who was mayor of Casalattico for a while. Could be a really important link.
Paul
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Hi Paul
Yes - you have Celeste's brothers and sisters! I know the descendants of two of the brothers - Celeste and Carmine Antonio - but nothing about the others.
I don't know when Pasqualina died, but she was born around 1891 as far as I know. If I can still remember how to use imageshack I will put their picture here -
My grandmother is pretty sure this is Vincent and Pasqualina and some of their family.
Marisa
Yes - you have Celeste's brothers and sisters! I know the descendants of two of the brothers - Celeste and Carmine Antonio - but nothing about the others.
I don't know when Pasqualina died, but she was born around 1891 as far as I know. If I can still remember how to use imageshack I will put their picture here -
My grandmother is pretty sure this is Vincent and Pasqualina and some of their family.
Marisa
Visocchi, Forte, Marcantonio, Iannetta
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I don't have dates but Leonardo had:
Tommaso - Tonbridge Fortes - Guido and Edwina?
Alfonso
Camillo - I knew him. Married to Annunziata. Children Alba (lives in Mortale), Lucia (I know her well - lives in Shepperton) and Lidio
Benedetto - children Rocco and Angelo who live in Mortale and others too
Alessandra - has a daughter Iolanda who lives in Bexhill. She married Olimpio Forte (died a couple of years ago). Their children are Sandra and Frank.
Clementina - not sure...
I also have a whole load of names for descendants of Filippo's siblings, who I think were Tommaso, Angelo, Domenico, Pasquale, Maria, Angelamaria, Pace. I think their father was Onorato and his Tommaso?
Going back to this Vincent chap, who married Pasqualina, I'm pretty sure that Vincent's father was this Pancrazio chap. If so, Vincent had siblings Maria Giuseppa and Giuseppe. Maria Giuseppe is my great great grandmother on my grandmother's side. Vincent had several children, but I don't know if they were with Pasqualina, as I think she died young. He definitely had Pat and Clementina, who married Antonio Fusco. Clementina would therefore be your grandmother's cousin and still lives in S. Nazzare below Mortale. Would she know about Clementina?
Paul
Tommaso - Tonbridge Fortes - Guido and Edwina?
Alfonso
Camillo - I knew him. Married to Annunziata. Children Alba (lives in Mortale), Lucia (I know her well - lives in Shepperton) and Lidio
Benedetto - children Rocco and Angelo who live in Mortale and others too
Alessandra - has a daughter Iolanda who lives in Bexhill. She married Olimpio Forte (died a couple of years ago). Their children are Sandra and Frank.
Clementina - not sure...
I also have a whole load of names for descendants of Filippo's siblings, who I think were Tommaso, Angelo, Domenico, Pasquale, Maria, Angelamaria, Pace. I think their father was Onorato and his Tommaso?
Going back to this Vincent chap, who married Pasqualina, I'm pretty sure that Vincent's father was this Pancrazio chap. If so, Vincent had siblings Maria Giuseppa and Giuseppe. Maria Giuseppe is my great great grandmother on my grandmother's side. Vincent had several children, but I don't know if they were with Pasqualina, as I think she died young. He definitely had Pat and Clementina, who married Antonio Fusco. Clementina would therefore be your grandmother's cousin and still lives in S. Nazzare below Mortale. Would she know about Clementina?
Paul
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I'm just off the phone with Grandma (slightly deafened as she bellows down the phone because she is a bit deaf!) We have the right Vincenzo and Pasqualina. Pasqualina did indeed die around 1930, and she remembers Vincent's brother and sister. She also knew exactly who the Fortes in Bexhill are. I don't know if any of them will know her - but she was Jolanda Forte - and since 1936 Jolanda Visocchi.
I let her do all the talking so I would know the information was accurate. She doesn't like to let me down if she doesn't know the facts, and has an endearing and equally infuriating way of making stuff up to fill in the gaps. However - she was certain this time!
Marisa
I let her do all the talking so I would know the information was accurate. She doesn't like to let me down if she doesn't know the facts, and has an endearing and equally infuriating way of making stuff up to fill in the gaps. However - she was certain this time!
Marisa
Visocchi, Forte, Marcantonio, Iannetta
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You have Filippo's siblings spot on too.
Filippo Forte - born 31 Oct 1821. Parents - Onorato Antonio Forte and Caterina (you've guessed it) Forte. His wife was Maddalena Fusco born 12 Oct 1817. Her parents were Domenico Fusco (parents Vittorio Fusco and Maddalena Recchia (daughter of Benedetto and Caterina Recchia)), and Anna Rosato (daughter of Filippo Rosato and Maria Matassa). Filippo Rosato's parents were Giacomo Rosato and Dorotea Cirefice. Maria Matassa's parents were Giuseppe Matassa and Felicia Taddei.
Filippo Forte - born 31 Oct 1821. Parents - Onorato Antonio Forte and Caterina (you've guessed it) Forte. His wife was Maddalena Fusco born 12 Oct 1817. Her parents were Domenico Fusco (parents Vittorio Fusco and Maddalena Recchia (daughter of Benedetto and Caterina Recchia)), and Anna Rosato (daughter of Filippo Rosato and Maria Matassa). Filippo Rosato's parents were Giacomo Rosato and Dorotea Cirefice. Maria Matassa's parents were Giuseppe Matassa and Felicia Taddei.
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Excellent.
Was Celeste's brother Leonardo born on 3.11.1853 and died 12.9.1944 ? And did he marry Angela? If so, they are buried in Casalattico cemetery.
Back to old Pancrazio........ I am exploring the idea that he was Maria Giuseppa Forte's brother rather than father! I also think that Pancrazio might have been a nickname and that his real name was Franco or Francesco Forte (b. 5/3/1851 and died 14/1/1940). I think his other siblings may have been Civita and possibly Alfonso. Their father may be Luigi Forte and mother Clementina Vella (but Vella might be a nickname!). Pancrazio/Franco/Francesco was definitely Vincenzo's father (the one that married Pasqualina). I now have all their descendants if you are interested.
Would be interested to know if there are any records on any of this.
Best wishes,
Paul
Was Celeste's brother Leonardo born on 3.11.1853 and died 12.9.1944 ? And did he marry Angela? If so, they are buried in Casalattico cemetery.
Back to old Pancrazio........ I am exploring the idea that he was Maria Giuseppa Forte's brother rather than father! I also think that Pancrazio might have been a nickname and that his real name was Franco or Francesco Forte (b. 5/3/1851 and died 14/1/1940). I think his other siblings may have been Civita and possibly Alfonso. Their father may be Luigi Forte and mother Clementina Vella (but Vella might be a nickname!). Pancrazio/Franco/Francesco was definitely Vincenzo's father (the one that married Pasqualina). I now have all their descendants if you are interested.
Would be interested to know if there are any records on any of this.
Best wishes,
Paul
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Hi Paul
The date of birth that I have for 'my' Leonardo is 2nd March 1858. I don't know what his wife was called. I will email my cousin, and get her to ask my uncle. Through the quite incredible amount of in-marriage in my family she is my first cousin, but also my third cousin once removed, and also related several ways through marriage! Her dad is Carmine Antonio's grandson as well as Celeste Antonio's great grandson-in-law. He might well know more. If he doesn't, his older brother or sister (who incidentally was married to my other great grandfathers youngest half brother - the mind boggles) might know. Incidentally this uncle is named Leonardo after his great uncle!
Pancrazio instantly made me think of pancreas too!! But then as I have a diabetic son I am a bit over-focussed on pancreases! I wonder what the name actually means and if it has anything to do with bread...
Vella is an established surname in Casalattico - and I can see a listing for Luigi and Caterina. Coffee and records time again I think!
Marisa xx
The date of birth that I have for 'my' Leonardo is 2nd March 1858. I don't know what his wife was called. I will email my cousin, and get her to ask my uncle. Through the quite incredible amount of in-marriage in my family she is my first cousin, but also my third cousin once removed, and also related several ways through marriage! Her dad is Carmine Antonio's grandson as well as Celeste Antonio's great grandson-in-law. He might well know more. If he doesn't, his older brother or sister (who incidentally was married to my other great grandfathers youngest half brother - the mind boggles) might know. Incidentally this uncle is named Leonardo after his great uncle!
Pancrazio instantly made me think of pancreas too!! But then as I have a diabetic son I am a bit over-focussed on pancreases! I wonder what the name actually means and if it has anything to do with bread...
Vella is an established surname in Casalattico - and I can see a listing for Luigi and Caterina. Coffee and records time again I think!
Marisa xx
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Right now. Here we go –
Marriage of Luigi Forte aged 29 and Caterina Vella aged 23, 25th May 1850 Casalattico.
Parents of Luigi - Cristofaro Forte and Lucia Forte – both apparently dead at the time of the marriage although Lucia seems to have been miraculously resurrected by the time of some of her other children’s marriages.
Parents of Caterina - Giovanni Vella and Oliva Morelli – Giovanni was dead, Oliva still alive.
I don’t have any births after 1850, but I can see that they had a son Alfonso who died aged 12 days on 16th March 1853.
I can’t find a birth listing for Caterina, but she had a sister Clementina who was born on the 17 March 1827. Her father Giovanni was 40 years old (born c 1787) and her mother Oliva Morelli was 38 years (b c 1789). Keep in mind that ages could be a few years out and seem to vary at each child’s birth!
Giovanni and Oliva were married 18th June 1809. Their ages are both given as 22. Giovanni’s parents were Pietrantonio Vella (who was dead), and Felice di Lieghio. Oliva’s parents were Salvatore Morelli and Lucia Rosato (who was dead). Oliva died on the 23 Nov 1860.
Luigi Forte was born on the 21 August 1821. His father Cristofaro and mother Lucia were both 36 years old. (bc 1785). Lucia was alive in 1837 when one of her children married, but dead by 1843. There is one Lucia Forte of the right sort of age who died within that timeframe on the 18th October 1842. Her parents were Andrea Forte and Angela Marsella. Andrea Forte died aged 85 in 1842 (bc 1749). His parents were Crescenzo Forte and Porzia Macari. Anglea died in 1826 at around 67 years (bc 1762). Her parents were Arcangelo Marsella and Vittoria Macari.
Critotfaro Forte was dead by 1838. I can’t find any other information about him that I am satisfied would be accurate.
Hope that helps
Marisa xx
Marriage of Luigi Forte aged 29 and Caterina Vella aged 23, 25th May 1850 Casalattico.
Parents of Luigi - Cristofaro Forte and Lucia Forte – both apparently dead at the time of the marriage although Lucia seems to have been miraculously resurrected by the time of some of her other children’s marriages.
Parents of Caterina - Giovanni Vella and Oliva Morelli – Giovanni was dead, Oliva still alive.
I don’t have any births after 1850, but I can see that they had a son Alfonso who died aged 12 days on 16th March 1853.
I can’t find a birth listing for Caterina, but she had a sister Clementina who was born on the 17 March 1827. Her father Giovanni was 40 years old (born c 1787) and her mother Oliva Morelli was 38 years (b c 1789). Keep in mind that ages could be a few years out and seem to vary at each child’s birth!
Giovanni and Oliva were married 18th June 1809. Their ages are both given as 22. Giovanni’s parents were Pietrantonio Vella (who was dead), and Felice di Lieghio. Oliva’s parents were Salvatore Morelli and Lucia Rosato (who was dead). Oliva died on the 23 Nov 1860.
Luigi Forte was born on the 21 August 1821. His father Cristofaro and mother Lucia were both 36 years old. (bc 1785). Lucia was alive in 1837 when one of her children married, but dead by 1843. There is one Lucia Forte of the right sort of age who died within that timeframe on the 18th October 1842. Her parents were Andrea Forte and Angela Marsella. Andrea Forte died aged 85 in 1842 (bc 1749). His parents were Crescenzo Forte and Porzia Macari. Anglea died in 1826 at around 67 years (bc 1762). Her parents were Arcangelo Marsella and Vittoria Macari.
Critotfaro Forte was dead by 1838. I can’t find any other information about him that I am satisfied would be accurate.
Hope that helps
Marisa xx
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Lots of information - thanks.
I have Luigi Forte marrying Clementina Vella (not Caterina!)
Paul
I have Luigi Forte marrying Clementina Vella (not Caterina!)
Paul
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You are right! Blame it on lack of sleep. Where did I get Caterina from I wonder? I was wondering why there was no birth listing for her. Sorry - everything else is accurate I promise!
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OK - I'm slightly confused now!
Did Luigi marry the Clementina you mention born on 17 Mar 1827?
Do you have details of any other children?
Best wishes and thanks,
Paul
Did Luigi marry the Clementina you mention born on 17 Mar 1827?
Do you have details of any other children?
Best wishes and thanks,
Paul
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Yes he did. Replace any reference to Caterina with Clementina! Sorry. 
The only child I can find reference to is Alfonso as I don't have any births after 1850.
Marisa
The only child I can find reference to is Alfonso as I don't have any births after 1850.
Marisa
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