Wow!! That is amazing. Is this typical in Europe?


yes, this is typical for countries with a social system. in germany we too have really good health care and you barely ever pay.

- kids till 18 get everything free (exams, doctor visits, medication etc., even birth control)
- over 18 you pay 10 ...

gertrude sounds so not italian. i was trying to find a passenger list since the census said she came over after her parents did. it is so strange that i can't locate any passenger lists for that family.

thank you so much suanj!!!

does anyone have an idea what the name gertrude might have been in italian?

Hi Carmine, I believe that your record is right;
same family in 1920 census:

1920 United States Federal Census
about Frank Furdell
Name: Frank Furdell
[Frank Furdell??]
Home in 1920: Dunkirk, Chautauqua, New York
Age: 60
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Birthplace: Sicily [Sicily;Italy ...

Or, perhaps this one?

1930 United States Federal Census about Josephine Fadale
Name: Josephine Fadale
Home in 1930: Dunkirk, Chautauqua, New York
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Age: 61
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Spouse's name: Frank Fadale
Race: White
Household Members: Name ...

hi everyone,

does anyone here have the full ancestry access and can try to find a passenger list for me? i only have the subscription to german ancestry and castlegarden.org couldn't help me much either.

all i know is that francesco fadale (furdell in the US) came around 1889/1890 from valledolmo ...

Maybe he was also born in Italy? If he lists "Alien" in 1910 Census, then he wasn't born in the USA and you will have to proceed from the great-grandfather and prove that he did not naturalize before his son was born.

i thought i made everything clear so far. gr-gr-grandfather born in italy ...

jennabet wrote:He won't get anywhere without the birth certificate from Italy. It's the entire crux of the case. Nothing else will suffice, no matter where the application is made.

he got that one. it is the greatgrandfather's birth certificate that is missing, he was the first one born in the US.

the cousin already has an appointment (NYC consulate) and they only thing he still needs is the greatgrandfather's birth certificate which cannot be found. other documents such as social security, passport application, military are not enough to the consulate. i also know that he submitted the 1910 ...

apparently a cousin from my husband is working on the italian citizenship as well! nobody ever mentioned that to us. after he had his appointment in a few months, we can use all his documents!
btw, according to him, the great-greatgrandfather never naturalized, he has a letter from USCIS to prove ...

about the apostille i'm sure it works like with our marriage certificate (we got married in the US). we needed the county clerk to notarize and the secretary of state then gave us the apostille. here in germany we officially need a translation too but so far nobody ever asked for that and the ...

good to know. since i wanted to research his ancestors anyway it is at least not wasted time. it will be hard though to find out more about the great-greatgrandfather. especially about his death.

are you all in the US? is there a good "recipe" on how i can find out more? in germany i can go to the ...

we live in berlin (germany), so i would say the italian embassy is where he has to go.

and one thing i am curious about: what are you doing once you have the italian citizenship? do you plan on moving to italy?

wow, johnnyonthespot answered everything and even more :wink:

that is really interesting how the citizenship laws are different. i checked his family and since the italian immigrant has to be male and his son must have been born prior to the father's naturalization, i have found one that matches ...