Giuseppe Carrozza and Rosa Polizzi of Palermo

[adelfio]

Baptism of Augustino Carrozza
Index#149
1889 Mar 28th in the town of Monreale Palermo church of Santa Maria Nuova baptism of Salvatore Carrozza son of Giuseppe Carrozza and Rosa Polizzi he was born Mar 27th
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[adelfio]

Baptism of Maria Carrozza
Index#45
1887 Jan 24th in the town of Monreale Palermo church of Santa Maria Nuova baptism of Maria Carrozza daughter of Giuseppe Carrozza and Rosa Polizzi she was born Jan 23rd Sidenote says married Gaetano Massaro 1909 Jan 18th
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[Edward Keeports]

Is this Giuseppe's baptismal record? (Second down on the right?)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... ,351714401

[adelfio]

Is this Giuseppe's baptismal record? (Second down on the right?)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... ,351714401

This baptism record is for Giuseppe Cannino

Marty

[James Snavely]

I looked through the records for Giuseppe Carrozza (1844 or 1845) and Rosa Polizzi's (1852 or 1853) birth records multiple times, but found nothing. The dates I searched were based on the ages in the marriage record.

Any advice?

Also, how can I find out when they died?

[adelfio]

Ages could be off a little
Baptism of Giuseppe Carrozza
Index#17
1844 Jan 8th in the town of Monreale Palermo church of Santa Maria Nuova baptism (born on the 7th) of Giuseppe Carrozza son of Giuseppe Carrozza and Giuseppa Renda

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Marty

[adelfio]

Baptism of Rosa Polizzi
Index#171
1853 April 9th in the town of Monreale Palermo church of Santa Maria Nuova baptism(born the same day) of Rosa Polizzi daughter of Giuseppe Polizzi and Ninfa Campo

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Marty

[adelfio]

You know that there are both civil and church records online
Heres the civil marriage record of Giuseppe Carrozza and Rosa Polizzi
Index#196
1879 Dec 14th in the town of Monreale,Palermo appeared Giuseppe Carrozza age 35 widow of Angela Maria Mannino son of Giuseppe Carrozza and Giuseppa Renda married Rosa Polizzi age 26 daughter of Giuseppe Polizzi and Ninfa Campo

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[James Snavely]

Thank you so much!
The marriage dates from the civil and church records conflict. Which one is likely to be more accurate?

Also given the birth dates of 1844 and 1853, it is likely that at least one of them died after 1911, which is the last year familysearch has records for. How can I go about finding death records after 1911.

[adelfio]

Most Italians get married civil first then church.
Use the church death records
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[adelfio]

Death of Giuseppe Carrozza
Index#167
1901 July 12th in the town of Monreale,Palermo death of Giuseppe Carrozza age 57 son of deceased Giuseppe Carrozza and Giuseppa Renda husband of 2nd wife Rosa Polizzi

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Marty

[James Snavely]

Hello,
I have tried to find the baptism records for Ignazio Carrozza, Francesca Loiacono, Giuseppe Renda, Giacoma Cusimano, Giovanni Polizzi, Annamaria Oliveri, Saverio Campo, and Antonina Narisi, but I have had no luck. Can someone please help me?

[adelfio]

Just look back through the marriage records I have given you and deduct 20 to 30 years for the baptism records.
In searching Italian civil records you have birth(nati) death(morte) marriage (matrimoni) by year most go from 1866-1910 some towns have other years. Indexes are found at the beginning or end of the year you are searching by index number and surname.There are also multi year indexes which combine 5 or 10 years of indexes
Babies are born then presented to the civil official of the town usually within a few days of birth for entry in the birth registry. If there is a problem and they cant register the birth act until much later they are entered in the Parte 2 for that year usually in the rear of the records and that record is usually handwritten. Sometimes there are sidenotes with marriage or death information or if the act has a mistake in it a correction to those mistakes
Marriage records include birth town, ages, occupations, parents names, if they are deceased
Death records have age parents if they were married and to whom and usually town of birth
Civil records are signed by the civil official and 2 witnesses not usually family members
The indexes for the churches in Italy of baptism and marriage and death are arranged by first name first (later years last name first) by year and date of the act and page and record number. Just find your person in the index and go back to the records to find the act you


Baptism of Ignazio Carrozza
1777 Jan 8th in the town of Monreale Palermo church of Santa Maria Nuova baptism of Ignazio Carrozza son of Rocco Carrozza and Maria Carrozza

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[James Snavely]

Thank you so much! How can I find the maiden name for Rocco Carrozza's wife Maria?

[adelfio]

Thank you so much! How can I find the maiden name for Rocco Carrozza's wife Maria?

Her name is Maria Ciolino

Marriage of Rocco Carrozza and Maria (Carrozza) Ciolino

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Marty