Lise: Surname of g g grandfather and missing g grandfather.

[mfjp]

Here's a younger Giuseppe Lise born 1891

First Name: Guiseppe
Last Name: Lise
Ethnicity: Italy, North Italian
Last Place of Residence: Meano, Italy
Date of Arrival: Jun 19, 1909
Age at Arrival: 18y Gender: M Marital Status: S
Ship of Travel: La Lorraine
Port of Departure: Havre
Manifest Line Number: 0028

http://ellisisland.org/search/shipManif ... 1624020058

Found "World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918 Record" for Joseph Toia on Ancestry... but again i don't have access to this. Can anybody possibly help?

WW1 record... ? Maybe I'll search again... Nothing came up for WW1...

There's a Joe Toia

Name: Joe Toia
City: St Louis
County: St Louis (Independent City)
State: Missouri
BirthPlace: Italy (Partinico, Palermo.....)
Birth Date: 8 Sep 1896
Roll: 1683695
DraftBoard: 4

Did you mean a Giuseppe Lise?

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918 Record (had 3 children by then)

Name: Joseph Lise
City: Manhattan
County: New York
State: New York
BirthPlace: Italy
Birth Date: Mar 14 1891
Race: White
Roll: 1765593
DraftBoard: 90

Maria

[Marcialise]

Thank you Maria!!!

Re: Joseph Lise - World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918 Record (had 3 children by then)

It appears to be my great grandfather because my great grandfather had 3 children (William, Maria and Reta by year 1917). The birth certificate of my grandfather should confirm whether we're talking about the same person. Hopefully the date of birth of Joseph Lise would be included in the certificate...

Are World War I Draft records useful in anyway I wonder?

[mfjp]

Certainly are!

WW1 cards are a real blessing to have on the Ancestry site...

Name: Joseph Lise
City: Manhattan
County: New York
State: New York
BirthPlace: Italy
Birth Date: Mar 14 1891
Race: White
Roll: 1765593
DraftBoard: 90

Link to Joseph Lise Draft card

Link to Belluno Province info

Link to Belluno city info

Lived on 21 Downing(sp?) St. New York, naturalized, born in Belluno, employed by Nicolo as a Tile Setter, was considered tall and slender, brown eyes, chestnut hair...

I will also try to zoom in on the person that Giuseppe went visit - which is mentioned on his manifest... hopefully I can post an enlarged sample.

William = Guglielmo

Wondering if Reta was shortened from the name Margherita...

Back soon...
Maria

[Marcialise]

Certainly are!

Link to Joseph Lise Draft card

Wow brilliant. Santa Giustina is in Belluno so the Ellis Island Records (1909 and 1902) are highly likely to be relevant!

There's Antonio Lise (from Belluno as well) who's likely to be Joseph's father. Here's the link to the relevant Ellis Island Record (probably wasn't the first time he arrived in the US, I'm assuming).

When it says "Non Immigrant Alien" (stamped), does it mean he already immigrated to the US prior to that journey?

[Marcialise]

Link to Belluno Province info

Link to Belluno city info

According these, Santa Giustina isn't within Belluno.... hmmsss

[mfjp]

Hang in... I see your logged on...

I will be posting a few things.. just give me a few minutes...

Maria

P.S. my Tyrolean F-i-L came from an area north of (artificial) Lake Giustina... we can check this further...

[mfjp]

First Name: Guiseppe
Last Name: Lise
Ethnicity: Italy, North Italian
Last Place of Residence: Meano, Italy
Date of Arrival: Jun 19, 1909
Age at Arrival: 18y Gender: M Marital Status: S
Ship of Travel: La Lorraine
Port of Departure: Havre
Manifest Line Number: 0028

http://ellisisland.org/search/shipManif ... 1624020058
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See the "x" next to his name? He could have been detained for some reason... I will do a search for a detained ships list

Link to View of Name - maybe detained?
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Link to where Born in Italy - Jiustina - Giustina...?
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Link to Next of Kin - father Guiseppe in Meano, Italy

Last Permanent Residence in Italy was Meano
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Looks like Guiseppe was also in the USA for a period from 1902 - 1908
Another manifest??

Link to Chianasi in NY? relative or father?
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Maria

[Marcialise]

"X" next his name.... right.. maybe some clues there.
There's a "detained ships list"? You know a lot Maria... thanks again. I don't know how I would have progressed without your help!

Marcia

[Marcialise]

Link to Chianasi in NY? relative or father?

It says father doesn't it... Chianasi sounds like a surname as well. ???

[mfjp]

Thank you Marcia,

I had no idea who you were yesterday when I read your post and replied... it wasn't till later I had realised who you were... nice to see you back.

I will do a detained list search after I post this...

It may or may not be there...

We need to find a 1902 +- manifest...
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We need to find a 1910 census record of Chianasi at McDougal St.... see Guiseppe's manifest... any volunteers...?? http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/3346 ... asisk4.jpg
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Find out who Chianasi is....

We need to sort out these cities.. Belluno (on Draft card) / Juistina / Jiustina..../ Meano... etc.

Consider whether this is your Guiseppe Lise...

Lots to look forward to...

Maria

[mfjp]

Link to Chianasi in NY? relative or father?

It says father doesn't it... Chianasi sounds like a surname as well. ???

It does say father.... it certainly doesn't make this research any easier eh?? It could be an error... but now we have an address to work with too...

Sure... Chianasi could be a surname... something to consider.... but the name Chiane, Chianne, Chianna, are also given names... (I'm sure there are other variations)

Had it been his surname listed on his manifest, they might have listed his given name as well... don't know... something to look into...

Maria

[mfjp]

Ooops.. hadn't seen your earlier post about this Antonio...

Certainly are!

Link to Joseph Lise Draft card

Wow brilliant. Santa Giustina is in Belluno so the Ellis Island Records (1909 and 1902) are highly likely to be relevant!

There's Antonio Lise (from Belluno as well) who's likely to be Joseph's father. Here's the link to the relevant Ellis Island Record (probably wasn't the first time he arrived in the US, I'm assuming).

When it says "Non Immigrant Alien" (stamped), does it mean he already immigrated to the US prior to that journey?

Something further to look into...

First Name: Antonio (born 1866+-)
Last Name: Lise
Ethnicity: Italy, Italian
Last Place of Residence: New York, New York U.S.A.
Date of Arrival: Dec 03, 1910
Age at Arrival: 44y Gender: M Marital Status: M
Ship of Travel: La Savoie
Port of Departure: Havre
Manifest Line Number: 0007

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Back soon or eventually.. coffee's ready...

Maria.. fun eh?

[Marcialise]

I'm 70% sure that the WWI draft reg record is that of my great grandfather because of the number of child and age etc. That Antonio Lise record is interesting isn't it. Maybe he's not related though..

It'd be good if I can locate Joseph Lise and Josephine Toia's marriage record but I don't know where they got married!

It's like a game isn't it! I'm actually having my second cup of coffee today too. hehe.

[mfjp]

Found a Record of Detained Aliens...

Guiseppe's Detained Record

says "he has to phone" under Reason for Detention... - "father Guis. at 69 McDaugal (sp?) St." is mentioned under the DISPOSITION column...

So now we have a Chianasi and a Guis. (listed as fathers) in NY, and a Guiseppe in Italy.....

I think the info on the Record of Detained Aliens would be more correct...
But I have no proof... a 1910 census record of this address would help...

Maria

[Marcialise]

Oh no... getting more confusing. But then Guis. is Guiseppe isn't it? Maybe The Guiseppe in Italy and Guis. at 69 McDaugal Street are identical people?
But this Chianasi is in the way somehow isn't it.