Looking for information about my family - Todaro

[joyesler]

My name is Joy Esler. My maiden name is Todaro. I am looking for information regarding my Todaro family from Palermo, Sicily. The information that I do know is as follows:

Giovanni / John Todaro (my grandfather) born 1901 in Palermo, Sicily; died 1989 in Coral Springs, Florida; spouse Rose born 1910 and died 1989

Salvatore / Sal Todaro born 1915 in Palermo, Sicily; died 1992 in Florida; my grandfather's brother

Placido Todaro born 1989 in Palermo, Sicily; died 1971 in Florida; my grandfather's brother

Thank you for your help!

[joyesler]

Placid was born 1898 not 1989.

[vj]

Hello Joy, welcome to the forum!
Do you have your family's US records? (census, military, vital records, immigration, naturalization, etc)
If you're missing any US records we would be happy to help you look.
If you're only interested in records from Palermo, you'll need to know if they were born in the comune of Palermo or somewhere in the province of Palermo.
If you know the comune we can help to direct you where to look next in Italian records.
Thank you, Valarie

...
Salvatore / Sal Todaro born 1915 in Palermo, Sicily; died 1992 in Florida; my grandfather's brother

Placido Todaro born 1989 (1898) in Palermo, Sicily; died 1971 in Florida; my grandfather's brother ...

Could Salvatore have been born in 1905, died 1982?

[vj]

As a start, is this the correct 1910 manifest?
grandfather Giovanni and his mother and brothers

page 1
http://imageshack.us/a/img96/1107/1910g.jpg
page 2
http://imageshack.us/a/img84/9854/1910b.jpg

arrival 22 Sep 1910
SS Athinai
Palermo to New York
lines 14-17
Maria Magliano 46, abt 1864
- last residence Ficarazzi, Palermo
- leaving her brother in Italy
- joining husband Francesco Todaro in NY
Placido Todaro 11, abt 1899
Giovanni Todaro 8, abt 1902
(ancestry transcribed as Cadaro)
Salvatore Todaro 4, abt 1906

[vj]

and a possible 1909 manifest
great grandfather Francesco Todaro and daughter Angela

page 1
http://imageshack.us/a/img59/5413/1909n.jpg
page 2
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arrival 12 Jul 1909
SS Moltke
Naples to New York
lines 3-4
Francesco Todaro 49, abt 1860
- last residence Ficarazzi, Palermo
- leaving wife Maria in Ficarazzi
- in NY in 1907
- joining son-in-law Domenico Pace in NY
- born in Bagheria, Palermo
daughter Angela Todaro 16, abt 1893
- single
- joining brother-in-law
- born in Bagheria, Palermo

[joyesler]

Hi Valerie,
Thank you for the warm welcome and such helpful information!

Unfortunately, my family does not appear to have any of my family's US records. Additionally, the information related to where in Palermo they were born was not passed down through the generations. Therefore, I am starting from scratch. I would love help finding these documents and information to learn more about my family and to determine if I meet the requirements for dual citizenship.

It appears that these may be the correct manifests. I have questions into my Pace cousin to determine if this was correct related to Francesco coming over and meeting up with Domenico. I also have questions into my Todaro cousin who is Salvatore's granddaughter to determine the correctness of his dates of birth and death. I also did not know about my great aunt Angela. Therefore, I am trying to confirm this with my cousins.

Thank you again for your help! It is greatly appreciated!
Joy

[vj]

Joy, thank you for the quick response and additional information.
We should be able to find the 1920 and 1930 census.
Here are some links to a terrific site for ordering New York (City) records
Valarie


If you haven’t used these, they may help you locate New York City records:

Dr Steve Morse One Step Search Pages for New York:

NY Naturalization
NYC Birth Records 1901-1907
NYC Birth Records 1891-1902 (requires ancestry. com subscription)
NYC Groom Index 1864-1936
NYC Bride Index ????-1937
NYC Death Records 1891-1948

Ordering NYC Vital Records
New York City Archives

from NYC records by the Italian Genealogical Group
http://www.italiangen.org/

[vj]

Naturalization
For dual citizenship you'll need naturalization information for both your grandfather and your great grandfather. Clues can be found on their census records as to whether or not they became US citizens.

Naturalization Information can also be searched at the Steve Morse and the Italian Genealogical Group (IGG) sites for free

simplified search of IGG:
http://www.stevemorse.org/vital/naturalization.html

IGG site:
http://www.italiangen.org/databaselist.stm

FamilySearch also has some NYC naturalization records
https://www.familysearch.org/
Both Ancestry. com and Fold 3 (subscription) have images of some NYC records

[vj]

note: census records were only as accurate as the knowledge or memory of the person giving the information...

1920 census
http://imageshack.us/a/img217/6870/1920vk.jpg

Home in 1920:
1952 Second Ave, rents
Manhattan Assembly District 18, New York, New York

Frank Todaro 62, abt 1858 IT
- immig 1905, Pa (filed 1st papers for naturalization)
- retail merchant, produce, working on own account
Mary Todaro 58, abt 1862 IT
- immig 1908, Al
Joseph Todaro 20, abt 1900 IT
- immig 1908, Al
- tailor, clothing house
John Todaro 18, abt 1902 IT
- immig 1908, Al
- finisher, clothing house
Salvatore Todaro 14, abt 1906 IT
- immig 1908, Al

edit: added

1930 census
http://imageshack.us/a/img823/8347/1930ty.jpg

Home in 1930:
2114 Lafontaine Ave, owns $11,500
Bronx, Bronx, New York

Frank Todaro 68, abt 1862 IT
- married age 22
- immig 1908, Na (naturalized citizen)
Mary Todaro 65, abt 1865 IT
- immig 1910, Na (naturalized citizen)
John Todaro 27, abt 1903 IT
- immig 1910, Na (naturalized citizen)
- salesman, radio's(?)
Salvatore Todaro 24, abt 1906 IT
- immig 1910, Na (naturalized citizen)
cutter, (?) garments factory

son Placido and his family living at the same address

edit: added

at the same address in 1940?
http://imageshack.us/a/img338/8396/1940c.jpg

Frank Todaro 72, abt 1868 IT
- naturalized
Mary Todaro 71, abt 1869 IT
- alien
John Todaro 38, abt 1902 NY(?)
- salesman, electrical supplies

[vj]

Correction: Magliocco

...
grandfather Giovanni and his mother and brothers

page 1
http://imageshack.us/a/img96/1107/1910g.jpg
page 2
http://imageshack.us/a/img84/9854/1910b.jpg

arrival 22 Sep 1910
SS Athinai
Palermo to New York
lines 14-17
Maria Magliano (Magliocco?*) 46, abt 1864
- last residence Ficarazzi, Palermo
- leaving her brother in Italy
- joining husband Francesco Todaro in NY
Placido Todaro 11, abt 1899
Giovanni Todaro 8, abt 1902
(ancestry transcribed as Cadaro)
Salvatore Todaro 4, abt 1906

*Correction: Maria's surname may have been Magliocco, from a July 1910 manifest where she and her sons were lined-off (did not sail) and from her brother's name on the Sep 1910 manifest on page 1


edit: added

names lined-off, did not sail

pg 1
http://imageshack.us/a/img72/2691/1910u.jpg
pg 2
http://imageshack.us/a/img135/9854/1910b.jpg

arrival 5 Jul 1905
SS Martha Washington
Palermo to New York
lines 26-19
Maria Magliocco 47, abt 1863
- last residence Ficarazzi, Palermo
- leaving her sister Rosaria in Ficarazzi
- joining husband Francesco Todaro at 302 So. 105th Street, NY
- born in Ficarazzi, Palermo
Placido Todaro 11, abt 1899
- born in Ficarazzi, Palermo
Giovanni Todaro 9, abt 1901
- born in Ficarazzi, Palermo
Salvatore Todaro 5, abt 1905
- born in Ficarazzi, Palermo

note: they also missed a 28 Mar 1910 ship

[joyesler]

This is amazing information, Valerie. You are such a tremendous help.

My Pace cousin was unable to provide any information regarding Domenico and Francesco. Therefore, I have contacted another Pace cousin to see if they can help.

I understand that the census is only as good as the individual providing the information and the individual recording that information. Yet, if it turns out that my great grandfather and grandfather became naturalized citizens before my grandfather had any children, does that hurt my eligibility for dual citizenship? If it does, then does it help that my great grandmother may not have become a naturalized citizen?

[vj]

Hey Joy!
I'm glad we could find some records for you.
I'm not an expert on dual citizenship.
Perhaps you could start another post with your question?
It may get lost in this post
Posting in this section of the forum might help:
"Emigration, Immigration, Naturalization and Italian citizenship"
http://www.italiangenealogy.com/forum/emigration.html
Also, since you would be applying at the Consulate where you live, you may want to see if they have a website with information.
Valarie

[joyesler]

Hi Valarie,
I found out the most interesting information from my Pace cousin.

There was an eldest daughter Rosanna Todaro of Francesco and Maria who was married to Domenico Pace. Domenico and Rosanna are her grandparents. Therefore, this is my correct family information! And this is information that both my cousin and I were not aware of. Thank you so much!

[vj]

Joy,
thank you so much for the update
Valarie

[CAMangano]

Joy - are you still accessing this thread? Rosaria Todaro (maiden name) of Ficarazzi may be a common linespecially since she married a Pace. Check with your cousins. She lived in the Bronx and had three children: Boy, girl, boy.