Can anyone please provide me with a short guide on how I can establish residency in Italy (one service said all it needs is 2 weeks short-term Italian residency with a rental contract to apply in Italy). Is there anyone that could help me because I'm desperate. I got everything done and now I can't do anything more.
I can't ever get an appointment at the Boston Consulate. They only offer appointments 2 days a week and I've been checking months. Including today at 12:00 midnight Rome Time, 12:00 midnight EST, and various other times. So I'm done with trying to get an appointment at the consulate.
Can anyone offer an info guide? Would an AirBnB 4 Week entire home Rental be sufficient as a rental home for the Vigili?
Establishing Residency and Applying in Italy
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You will need an Italian lawyer to help you establish residency because Italy doesn't give residency to tourists. An American in Italy with a US passport is a tourist and your status will remain as tourist until your citizenship is recognized and your papers are registered in the commune. This could take several months, especially now with comunes inundated with illegal migrants and the Interior Ministry totally overwhelmed. If it doesn't happen within three months, you will have to leave. If you're serious about this, talk to a lawyer.
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I too have read about services that promise citizenship within two weeks, but I don't understand how that would work.
As jennebet notes, official residency requires more than tourist status. Perhaps this service has some government "connections" at a specific comune that would allow one to establish residency and obtain citizenship in such a short timeframe, but otherwise this approach seems problematic.
From what I understand, this is a rather costly service so it may involve payments to certain government officials who may be willing to circumvent established procedures. It would make sense to ask for names of specific people who have successfully used this approach and confirm with them that the promises of the service are indeed feasible.
As jennebet notes, official residency requires more than tourist status. Perhaps this service has some government "connections" at a specific comune that would allow one to establish residency and obtain citizenship in such a short timeframe, but otherwise this approach seems problematic.
From what I understand, this is a rather costly service so it may involve payments to certain government officials who may be willing to circumvent established procedures. It would make sense to ask for names of specific people who have successfully used this approach and confirm with them that the promises of the service are indeed feasible.
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I talked to the lawyer Luigi Paiano and he said to contact him in 2018 because everything is booked this year.
The service that I might use that I contacted is http://www.getitaliancitizenship.com/but I still have questions to ask them. It will cost be about $7,000 USD on credit to afford a residency program in Italy for citizenship. That 7,000 USD doesn't include my airfare to Italy.
Hopefully when I contact Luigi Paiano again, he can give me information on what he can do to help me establish short-term residency in Italy to be able to apply.
The service that I might use that I contacted is http://www.getitaliancitizenship.com/but I still have questions to ask them. It will cost be about $7,000 USD on credit to afford a residency program in Italy for citizenship. That 7,000 USD doesn't include my airfare to Italy.
Hopefully when I contact Luigi Paiano again, he can give me information on what he can do to help me establish short-term residency in Italy to be able to apply.
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Who would I be asking for names? The service? Or would I ask on this forum?mler wrote: 03 Jul 2017, 19:40 I too have read about services that promise citizenship within two weeks, but I don't understand how that would work.
As jennebet notes, official residency requires more than tourist status. Perhaps this service has some government "connections" at a specific comune that would allow one to establish residency and obtain citizenship in such a short timeframe, but otherwise this approach seems problematic.
From what I understand, this is a rather costly service so it may involve payments to certain government officials who may be willing to circumvent established procedures. It would make sense to ask for names of specific people who have successfully used this approach and confirm with them that the promises of the service are indeed feasible.
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I would ask the company providing the service to show you proof of satisfaction by providing a list of references that can vouch for them. By the way, you will save some with the Italian attorney but in 2011, he quoted a price for a relative of around $4,000 with an extra $800 for anyone else who was interested in joining the suit.
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I did get a similar quote when I thought I needed a trial but I found all all my ancestors in that line were Italian so I could go through the embassy which is what I need to do unless I establish residency and apply in Italy in the commune where residency is established. I didn't know the embassy was booked for years in advance and that they might not even open their calendar for scheduling appointments on the 1st Monday. So I'm forced to pay any price that is quoted to me, mostly with credit, to complete my application.jennabet wrote: 10 Jul 2017, 11:05 I would ask the company providing the service to show you proof of satisfaction by providing a list of references that can vouch for them. By the way, you will save some with the Italian attorney but in 2011, he quoted a price for a relative of around $4,000 with an extra $800 for anyone else who was interested in joining the suit.
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Maybe after the Italian election in early 2018 things will settle down and the consulates will free up. Right now, the government, communes, interior ministry are bogged down with dealing with hundreds of thousands of non-refugee, economic migrants who have no right whatsoever to be in Europe in the first place. The new government that forms in early 2018 will put a stop to all of that and I can almost assure you that with the way the Italian people are feeling about what is happening to their country there WILL be a new government -- on the RIGHT.
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I've been reading that NY just opened up, and several people reported getting earlier appointments. Keep trying; the same may happen in Boston.
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The only way I'm probably ever going to be able to apply for my Citizenship to Italy, is putting $7,000 on credit card so I can somehow apply in Italy. If the Euro keeps going up, I'd probably max out a credit. Four months of trying, and two months they didn't even open their calendar, and today everything booked for the six days in December 2018 they do Citizenship appointments and they only work 9:00am-12:30pm on the days they do work there. It seems they only open their calendar one month in advance. I wonder how much the Consulate in Boston's staff gets paid by the Italian government because they do essentially NOTHING!!!
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Italian consulate employees in the United States are paid by the Italian government to provide citizen services to Italian citizens living abroad and not to American citizens.
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I was just upset that the cost of me applying goes by $10,000 because I'll have to go in person to Italy when I can't really afford that. After trying four months to schedule an appointment and not getting one, it doesn't look like I will ever be able to get an appointment at the Boston Consulate even if I tried every month for 10 years. And with the Euro continuing to increase against the Dollar, it just makes things even more expensive. I'd either need a personal loan or to max out a credit card to try to apply in Italy, and right now I couldn't repay that additional debt with my currently low income that probably won't be changing anytime soon.
Other states have consulates that work longer hours and are open more often, but the northeastern US has the highest concentration of people of Italian descent and the Boston Consulate that serves it works some of least amount of hours compared to other consulates.
Are they trying to really discourage or prevent people of Italian descent who qualify for Jure Sanguinis from actually being able to apply for it at a consulate?
What if I scheduled a passport appointment at the consulate but then show up asking to apply for Citizenship instead, because I couldn't one of the Boston Consulate's scarce Jure Sanguinis appointments?
Other states have consulates that work longer hours and are open more often, but the northeastern US has the highest concentration of people of Italian descent and the Boston Consulate that serves it works some of least amount of hours compared to other consulates.
Are they trying to really discourage or prevent people of Italian descent who qualify for Jure Sanguinis from actually being able to apply for it at a consulate?
What if I scheduled a passport appointment at the consulate but then show up asking to apply for Citizenship instead, because I couldn't one of the Boston Consulate's scarce Jure Sanguinis appointments?
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I just decided that I'll schedule an appointment at the New York Consulate if I am unable to get an appointment once I try again in September to get one at the Boston Consulate. I can't afford to go to Italy to meet a residency requirement and pay 5,000 Euros (not including the cost of a trip or food) to the "Get Italian Citizenship in Italy" type programs.
I'll show up at New York and either they can turn me away or accept my application. I created a second account at the New York Consulate's website and they have numerous appointments available, they work more hours, and are open more days.
Either New York will take my application or I'll be forced to either go to Italy or abandon all hope of ever getting Italian Citizenship if it isn't worth me bankrupting myself trying to get it by taking out debt to pay for that expense I can't afford.
I'll show up at New York and either they can turn me away or accept my application. I created a second account at the New York Consulate's website and they have numerous appointments available, they work more hours, and are open more days.
Either New York will take my application or I'll be forced to either go to Italy or abandon all hope of ever getting Italian Citizenship if it isn't worth me bankrupting myself trying to get it by taking out debt to pay for that expense I can't afford.
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You're spinning your wheels, Angel. There is no way the NY Consulate will even look at your application unless you live within its jurisdiction. And no, you can't go in for a passport unless you are already a citizen. Do you want to totally annoy them?
But why all the doom and gloom? The citizenship process does indeed take a while so sit back and relax. Boston will open up appointments when they are ready to schedule. In the meantime, work on ensuring that you have all the documents required for your application. It will happen, but you simply need to be more patient.
But why all the doom and gloom? The citizenship process does indeed take a while so sit back and relax. Boston will open up appointments when they are ready to schedule. In the meantime, work on ensuring that you have all the documents required for your application. It will happen, but you simply need to be more patient.
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Re: Establishing Residency and Applying in Italy
Angel,
Trying to go through the NY Consulate is not likely to turn out well. As mler said, they won't look at your application. They will ask for your ID and your address at the appointment. The consulates each have their own geographical jurisdictions, and they serve only those who live in those territories. When they find that you don't reside in their jurisdiction, they'll just tell you that you have to go through Boston.
I can understand the frustration that you are feeling. However, there isn't much that can be done in this situation. Some consulates have both long waits for appointments *and* long waits to hear back. Some consulates have a long wait for one and not the other. Unless one moves to another jurisdiction, one has the consulate they have, and that's it.
As far as trying to get an appointment with Boston, The Italian Dual Citizenship Help forum has a thread you might be interested in:
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/italian ... t9182.html
As mler said, use this time to get all of your documents in order. Do you have all of your necessary documents in their proper formats? Sometimes there are some long waits involved with obtaining documents (some offices are slow, sometimes one needs a court order, etc.). In cases like that, an appointment date that's far off turns out to be advantageous.
Please don't let the stress of the waiting get you down. There is a LOT of waiting in this pursuit. Waiting for documents, apostilles, court orders, appointments, for responses from consulates, for documents to be registered in Italy, etc. Those going through the courts also have to wait a lot: to get on the rolls, to get a hearing date, to wait for the hearing, sometimes to wait for a second hearing, to wait for the decision, etc. with months between each event. But, whichever group we're in, we bear it because it means so much to us.
I know that this does nothing to make the process go more quickly for you, but I hope that it helps to make dealing with the waiting a little bit more bearable.
It can be very frustrating to know that there is nothing to do but wait (and that happens frequently in this endeavour). But you'll get there. As remote as it might seem to you right now, you'll get there.
Trying to go through the NY Consulate is not likely to turn out well. As mler said, they won't look at your application. They will ask for your ID and your address at the appointment. The consulates each have their own geographical jurisdictions, and they serve only those who live in those territories. When they find that you don't reside in their jurisdiction, they'll just tell you that you have to go through Boston.
I can understand the frustration that you are feeling. However, there isn't much that can be done in this situation. Some consulates have both long waits for appointments *and* long waits to hear back. Some consulates have a long wait for one and not the other. Unless one moves to another jurisdiction, one has the consulate they have, and that's it.
As far as trying to get an appointment with Boston, The Italian Dual Citizenship Help forum has a thread you might be interested in:
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/italian ... t9182.html
As mler said, use this time to get all of your documents in order. Do you have all of your necessary documents in their proper formats? Sometimes there are some long waits involved with obtaining documents (some offices are slow, sometimes one needs a court order, etc.). In cases like that, an appointment date that's far off turns out to be advantageous.
Please don't let the stress of the waiting get you down. There is a LOT of waiting in this pursuit. Waiting for documents, apostilles, court orders, appointments, for responses from consulates, for documents to be registered in Italy, etc. Those going through the courts also have to wait a lot: to get on the rolls, to get a hearing date, to wait for the hearing, sometimes to wait for a second hearing, to wait for the decision, etc. with months between each event. But, whichever group we're in, we bear it because it means so much to us.
I know that this does nothing to make the process go more quickly for you, but I hope that it helps to make dealing with the waiting a little bit more bearable.
It can be very frustrating to know that there is nothing to do but wait (and that happens frequently in this endeavour). But you'll get there. As remote as it might seem to you right now, you'll get there.
