Palmeri/Fanale

[SicilySearch]

Mt Grandfather was Alberto (b. Liberto) Palmeri born in Brancaccio on Oct 20. 1895. He had 3 younger sisters. His mother, Domenica Fanale emigrated here with her family in 1902. Some time between when Albert was born (or shortly before) and 1902, I assume his father... possibly also Liberto Palmeri (? born 1860 as per an old record that may match)died in Sicily before she came to America. I have hit a dead end. I know Domenica came here to America with 2 of her bothers and stayed with a brother already in NY hen remarried.ANy help on this line would be appreciated,

[Farassino]

There is a Liberto Palmieri in the 10 years death index in Palermo.
Died in Brancaccio on 6th June 1895 aged 35, son of Giosuè and Russo Rosalia.
Only need to find register volume #294 act #105 to check if it’s him.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=316910

Could we see that old record of yours regarding the birth of Liberto in 1860?

[Farassino]

You may already have this, it’s the decennial birth index.
Liberto Palmieri son of Liberto and Fanale Domenica was born on 20th October 1895 in Brancaccio. Volume #339 act #377
Just to confirm father and son correct names.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=316910

[SicilySearch]

I fortunately knew my Grandfather very well...and yes, his birth date is correct. The dilemma is his mother & father. The death record cited above actually says Liberio (could be an incorrect translation and never could find a marriage record in Brancaccio or Villabate where I believe Domenica was from. Thank you all for responding!

[SicilySearch]

I have found these translated 10 year searches before but forget how I got to them on Family search! Can someone help with that so I can try to search other family members to help complete the tree?

[Farassino]

This could be interesting, in the decennial marriage index.
https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 05/5dJVE8G

Under the letter “P”
Alberto Palmieri son of Giosuè marries Giuseppa Fanale on 13th June 1885.
Ufficio 1, Volume 112, act 350.

Under the letter “F”
Giuseppa Fanale daughter of Settimo marries Albino Palmieri on 13th June 1885.
Ufficio 1, Volume 112, act 350.

Yes, there are interpretation errors in his names but it’s most probably them.
She could have been called Giuseppa Domenica or vice versa.

https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 05/5dJVE8G
Last one on left page.

https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 05/wQWMvy9
9th from the top, right page.

[Farassino]

I have found these translated 10 year searches before but forget how I got to them on Family search! Can someone help with that so I can try to search other family members to help complete the tree?

Palermo decennial indexes.

Births
https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/search- ... cennali%22

Marriages
https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/search- ... cennali%22

Deaths
https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/search- ... cennali%22

[SicilySearch]

Thank you...I had seen that as well. Domenica's father was Sattimo Fanale...that I had found out and she also came to America with her brother Settimo in 1902. Thank you for the research links...again, I could not remember how I originally got to them. Can you help with that as I am hoping another Palmeri brother that did not die prior to the 1900's might have previously emigrated to America.

[SicilySearch]

Thank you for the links...very helpful! You are a god send!

[SicilySearch]

Please help. So I am going to the links above but when I go to another area...say Salerno, I am able to find records but only in Italian. I can mostly figure it our but is there any way to do the search using the map on the home page and then get a translated search like the links you sent for Palermo, Sicily? Like the 10 year indexes?

[parkergambino]

Hi Sicily Searcher,

Welcome to the forum.

Ship manifest
Domenica is indexed as "Panale"; Liberto is indexed as "Giberto"; also a daughter Antonina. Their origin is Villabate; Domenica birth year estimated = 1873
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=1368704

Here are her NYC documents, featuring some unwelcome clerical slop:

1904 marriage document, her estimated birth year = 1870 or 1873
Identifies her father as Giuseppe, mother is Antonia Calabrese
Also identifies this as her first marriage
https://a860-historicalvitalrecords.nyc ... ew/8279212

1935 death, estimated birth year = 1879
Identifies her father as Settimo, mother is Antonina Calabrese
https://a860-historicalvitalrecords.nyc ... ew/6345008

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Here are some avenues worth exploring, starting with data extracted from Hugh Tornabene's Palermo marriage indexes. Bear in mind that he used an OCR (optical character recognition) app to generate his files, so they are chock full of imperfections. Many can be reasonably sussed out, and I have taken the liberty to edit without further note the following records. I left a few verbatims in quotes. There is no guarantee that this "end-around" to an earlier generation is going in the correct precise direction, but the names Settimo and Ignazio echoing through the generations are darn suspicious. I will not have time to do the thorough exploration, perhaps you or others can pick it up.

IF we continue the thread that leads to Settimo Fanale being the father of Domenica, we find several mariages in Brancaccio for fellows named Settimo Fanale:

31 Iuglio 1855: Settimo Fanale son of [Ignazio Fanale & Giuseppa Cosentino]
marries Rosaria Belliteri. Brancaccio v859 #26

15 giugno 1863: Settimo Fanale son of [Ignazio Fanale & Giuseppa Cosentino]
marries "Astorina" Calabrase. Brancaccio v436 #1

22 Aprile 1893: Salvatore Fanale son of [Settimo Fanale & Giuseppa Calabrese]
marries "Giuseppa Bonacco Yeo". Brancaccio v163 #19

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Here are some NYC Fanale marriages:
https://a860-historicalvitalrecords.nyc ... ew/9232427
https://a860-historicalvitalrecords.nyc ... ew/9831290
https://a860-historicalvitalrecords.nyc ... ew/8335365 (check bride's birthplace)
https://a860-historicalvitalrecords.nyc ... ew/8810216
https://a860-historicalvitalrecords.nyc ... ew/9471335

and the 1942 NYC death record for Ignatius Fanale, whose father Sam might have been one of the people named Settimo. Or Salvatore?
https://a860-historicalvitalrecords.nyc ... ew/7042585

Good luck. I can check back a little later to see how this is going.

Parker

[parkergambino]

A few follow-up links:

31 Iuglio 1855: Settimo Fanale son of [Ignazio Fanale & Giuseppa Cosentino]
marries Rosaria Belliteri daughter of [fu Matteo & Francesca Lanza]. Brancaccio v859 #26
https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 07/0np3AP4

15 giugno 1863: Settimo Fanale son of [fu Ignazio Fanale & fu Giuseppa Cosentino]
marries Antonina Calabrase daughter of [fu Salvaore & Maria Scardamaglia]. Brancaccio v436 #1 (should be #14)
https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 07/0np3AP4

1859 Birth of Alberto Palmeri in Santa Ninfa, Palermo
son of [Gesué & Rosalia Russo]
https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 73/wRPPJNa

It seems that you will be unlikey to locate the 1895 death document for Liberto Palmeri without heroic contortions, if at all.

Parker

[parkergambino]

1856 birth of Giuseppa Fanale; there is no trace of Domenica being part of her name
mother is Rosaria Belliteri
https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... vE?lang=en

So, this does not seem to be the Domenica who married Francesco Moneta in NYC.
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Giuseppa Fanale daughter of [Settimo & Antonina Calabrese]
Brancaccio, 4 Sept 1866 (need to double-check date): v10 #172
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... 51639&i=70

Also has no indication that Domenica is part of the name.
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There are two references to another Fanale offspring, both corresponding.

In the 10-year birth index
https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 30/Lz8rvnP
Domenico Fanale son of [Settimo & Antonina Calabrese] Brancaccio v84 #145?
24 March 1873
possibly mis-transcribed and should be Domenica.


In the 1873 Brancaccio index on FamilySearch it is (as I read it) Domenica Fanale
The same record #145, parents not indicated in this index
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... 1639&i=634

The problem here is more clerical slop: the record #145 is not for Domenica. Perhaps to find the correct record would require paging through the births one by one, I don't have time to do that.

That's about it for me for a while. Good luck

Parker

[Farassino]

Domenica’s birth record is #145 after all and as parkergambino stated.
Domenica Fanale was born on May 22, 1873 in Brancaccio.
Here it is:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... 1639&i=583

[parkergambino]

Oops, that last bit was MY slop!

Parker