Bari DNA

[darkerhorse]

Has anyone had DNA reported specifically for Bari ancestry, labeled as Bari, or is that too specific?

[MarcuccioV]

Has anyone had DNA reported specifically for Bari ancestry, labeled as Bari, or is that too specific?

Yes, way too specific. I think best you'll do would be the regional breakdown from 23&me. And even then it only goes as far as province (in this case, Puglia or Apulia).

Then again, whatever test you end up doing (if you ever do), there are going to be DNA matches that might lend some clues...

[darkerhorse]

In my case, any ancestors from Bari would have migrated to Sicily before 1700, perhaps way before then. Plus, it would likely be only one line - the surname line. So, I suppose any of that DNA would be very hard to detect.

[darkerhorse]

I'm asking because a distant cousin has a family story from his grandfather that our common surname line originated in Bari. I've traced that line back to the mid-1700s all in Sicily.

[MarcuccioV]

I'm asking because a distant cousin has a family story from his grandfather that our common surname line originated in Bari. I've traced that line back to the mid-1700s all in Sicily.

It's getting around the point where it may be hard to detect. However there still might be DNA matches that reflect the Barese roots.

In my 23&me report, if you recall, has Puglia as my weakest region (above the minimal regions). It shows Sicily as stronger yet I have no paper trail, only DNA matches and mtDNA to reflect that. I'd assume it would likely be the same for you where Bari is concerned.

Surprisingly, I have a Puglian DNA match who is directly tied to the family of our old Barese neighbors (my mom's best friend). It's interesting how small the world really is when you conscientiously start investigating...

[Frederique1974]

Hi,

I am looking for my biological father. Unfortunately I don't have a name. I did dna testing at 23andme. Apulia and Sicily are most chance.

What would you advice how to start investigate?

Thanks in advance for your time!

Greetings from Belgium,

Frederique

[MarcuccioV]

Hi,

I am looking for my biological father. Unfortunately I don't have a name. I did dna testing at 23andme. Apulia and Sicily are most chance.

What would you advice how to start investigate?

Thanks in advance for your time!

Greetings from Belgium,

Frederique

Your best bet would be to start with DNA matches with Italian/Sicilian heritage. Contact any you find and build your search from there. Good luck..!

[sforza]

You can do geographical Y chromosome analysis. My direct paternal line is from Bari. We are on FTDNA and did the big-Y 500 several years ago so I got a very specific haplogroup on the y tree. I plugged this into a very cool tool on the ysec site (HRAS), which maps haplogroups. The density of haplogroup peaks in Bari at 9%, with density also in Calabria, Albania and Thessaly in Greece. The density could shift and change as more people test, of course.

[darkerhorse]

You can do geographical Y chromosome analysis. My direct paternal line is from Bari. We are on FTDNA and did the big-Y 500 several years ago so I got a very specific haplogroup on the y tree. I plugged this into a very cool tool on the ysec site (HRAS), which maps haplogroups. The density of haplogroup peaks in Bari at 9%, with density also in Calabria, Albania and Thessaly in Greece. The density could shift and change as more people test, of course.

Would it happen to be R1b1a1b-M269 or L1066?

What's the cost of the big-Y 500?

[sforza]

I am not an expert and would recommend consulting with administrators of the haplogroup projects on FTDNA. That said, this is what I do know:
R1b-M269 is the haplogroup of half the men in Europe. The question for M-269's is defining their subclade or terminal SNP (their branch on the tree). My paternal line is in fact an M-269 but we're "basal" - our branch is right off M-269 so we are not related to most M-269's who have tested. Most M-269's are on branches further up the tree like L-23, U-152, U-106, P-311, L-21, L-2, etc. In fact, we have no close matches at all. We are an R1b- PF7563*.
R1b-L1066 is downstream of L-21 and I've seen it characterized as "north atlantic" FWIW. Here's the link to the FTDNA L-1066 project: https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/l1 ... background
Interestingly, of all the members in that particular L-1066 project, only one cites ancestry in Italy and they don't specify the location. Overall, the haplogroup looks predominately Scottish/British Isles.
I think FTDNA has upgraded its big Y test to 700 SNPs (Y-700) - and it's pricey - $450 - but does go on sale during the holidays.

[darkerhorse]

Thanks.

Indeed, my surname Y DNA is traced to Scotland, even though the line appears to be thoroughbred Sicilian back to the mid-1700s by paper trail.

Isn't there's always a chance that a distant ancestor from Italy went to Scotland way back when, so that the Y DNA appears to have come from there?

For example, the Romans had their long fingers everywhere.

Also, I've never had a DNA test. The Y DNA I quoted is that of surname cousins (my father's 2nd cousin and his son). I assume odds are I have the same.

[sforza]

Yeah, I'm not making judgements about where it came from. Just noting that it appears to have density in Scotland. That said, if the haplogroup were at high levels among Romans (who are not genetically equivalent to Sicilians) you would expect more density L-1066 in Italians.
Anyway, the most recent common ancestor of haplogroup L-1066 lived 4,000 years ago, so populations of that haplogroup could have migrated to both Sicily and Scotland and have been in both places for quite some time. I think some studies have looked for a Norman genetic footprint in Sicily and have found little to none.

[Frederique]

Yes, I’ve had that. I have Eastern Bari as result, Bari and Sicily. Also Greek and Balkan. But I think that’s normal for Italian dna. My biological father is Italian. My biological mother is Belgian.