Birth record, I hope someone can help me, not sure where to start

[yonomas84]

This appears to be the death of a daughter of this same couple although the transcription of the record has the surname spelled Di Peca, not Di Peio (transcription error?)
These records from Chieti are available online but only when viewing at a Family History Center or an affiliated library. The link below shows the death of Maddalena Di Peca/Di Peio, daughter of Tommaso Di Peca and Angela Frana, at age 38 in 1906 (DOB 1868) COULD be a sibling of Filipe?

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QLFK-WT1G

***EDIT TO ADD***

While searching the birth acts in Semivicoli, Chieti, for children of the Tommaso Di Peio whose death index I posted, I found this birth...

#8 - dated 5 June 1873
Birth of Carmela Di Peo on 4 June.
Father: Tommaso di Peo, son of deceased Felice, age 41, miller, residing in Semivicoli
Mother: Angela Frani, his wife

http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... ewsIndex=0

AND***

A son, Felice, (most likely the first son) born to Tommaso Di Peio and Angela Frani - 26 April 1867
#4
http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... 5.jpg.html


T.

@Tessa78 a.k.a Sherlock Holmes


it seems like you made a case here,
name and last names are pretty much what we are looking for.

Felipe might be Felice?, however not sure how his age could affect this discover.

If we forget the baptism certificate (Pedro), it makes sense.

Our info:

xxxxxx(xxx) ->Tomas(xxx) -> Felipe(1872) -> Pedro(1908)

what you discovered:

Felice(xxx)-> Tommaso(xxx) -> Felice(1867) ->

Maybe they put the wrong age on Pedro's baptism certificate...?

[Tessa78]

Of course these records would have to be verified in some way... finding a birth act for Filipe/Filippo would help if he is not the Felice born in 1867.
It should be noted that the Felice in the birth act I posted was married in 1888 to Concetta Ciccolatto, according to the notation on the birth act. It IS possible that she died and he remarried???

Tommaso, in these records would have been born about 1839 (DOD 1917 - age 78)

Angela, in these records would have been born about 1833 (DOD 1914 - age 81)

Even finding a marriage for this couple would not confirm them as the parents of your Filipe

I have searched extensively, and as yet have not been successful in finding a birth for Filippo/Filipe about 1872...

T.

[yonomas84]

It seems that dipeo might be Dipejo?

BTW you have skills to read hieroglyphics, the only thing that I could read was Felice

[Tessa78]

What you see as a "j" is actually a "long i" - the is no "j" in the Italian alphabet

So the name here is Di Peio - but also shows up as Di Peo

T.

[yonomas84]

[yonomas84]

@Tessa78 your discoveries helped me a lot, thanks


BTW, Castelfidardo is not very far from Semivicoli

[yonomas84]

maybe in the past... Semivicoli and Castelfidardo were from the same province?

[Tessa78]

maybe in the past... Semivicoli and Castelfidardo were from the same province?

Good question -

AND to add another document -
Here is the birth act of the above Angela Frani in 1836 - born to Giuseppe and to Maddalena Bonetti
#4 - born on 6 April 1836
Unfortunately, there is no annotation of marriage on this record.
http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... ewsIndex=0

T.

[yonomas84]

dumb question

let say I got the birth certificate of Felice Di Peio,
son of Tommaso Di Peio and Angela Frani


How do I prove that Felice Di Peio became Felipe Dipeo son of Tomas Dipeo and Angela Frana?

Different name, different lastname, different born year

Who decides if
someone in the past misspelled the name/lastname/year...
or it is actually a different person?

[Tessa78]

dumb question NO

let say I got the birth certificate of Felice Di Peio,
son of Tommaso Di Peio and Angela Frani You have this birth act


How do I prove that Felice Di Peio became Felipe Dipeo son of Tomas Dipeo and Angela Frana?
It might be that you will need to DISPROVE it. Maybe we can follow the line of Felice Di Peio and Concetta Ciccolatto in Semivicoli to find some clues.

Different name, different lastname, different born year YES - very difficult

Who decides if
someone in the past misspelled the name/lastname/year...
or it is actually a different person? What do you mean "Who decides?"

These things take time - lots of time. So far we have many pieces to a puzzle, but we need to see if they all go into the same puzzle

BTW - I posted above the birth act of Angela Frani in 1836. Have not found the marriage of Angela and Tommaso.

AND... here is an earlier birth of Angela Frani in 1832 to the same couple. Presumably, she died before the other Angela was born.
http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... ewsIndex=0

T.

[yonomas84]

Who decides if
someone in the past misspelled the name/lastname/year...
or it is actually a different person? What do you mean "Who decides?"

I mean, we have to send all these documents to the embassy and explain that our Granpa Felipe was actually Felice

And he was the son of Angela Frana and Tomas Di Peo




and based on this birth certificate


Felice was the son of Angela Frani and Tommaso Di Peio

Not sure if these would be enough for them, and I agree with you this is a huge puzzle, however, YOU made it more understandable.

[yonomas84]

so what i need to do now is find the way to get the original;

1-Felice Di Peio birth certificate
2-Felice Di Peio death certificate

(the internet version of the certificates are not enough right? )




I already have the marriage certificate of
3-Felipe Dipeo(Felice Di Peio) and Maria Ferreira

4-Pedro Dipeo birth certificate ( Son of Felipe Dipeo )
5-Pedro Dipeo dead certificate
6-Pedro Dipeo marriage certificate
7-My dad birth certificate (Son of Pedro Dipeo)
8-My mom birth certificate
9-My mom and dad marriage certificate
10-My birth certificate

[Tessa78]

You will need certified copies from the place of birth (comune in Italy)

While you are waiting to hear from Castelfidardo, why not write to the comune/frazione of Semivicoli, Casacanditella, Chieti, to inquire about the birth act of Filipe Di Peo in 1872 (+/- 5 years) and see what they can find?

http://www.comuni-italiani.it/069/013/index.html

T.

[yonomas84]

You will need certified copies from the place of birth (comune in Italy)

While you are waiting to hear from Castelfidardo, why not write to the comune/frazione of Semivicoli, Casacanditella, Chieti, to inquire about the birth act of Filipe Di Peo in 1872 (+/- 5 years) and see what they can find?

http://www.comuni-italiani.it/069/013/index.html

T.

I got this:

No good news from the Comune of Castelfidardo: they checked the birth records between 1866 and 1895, and no person with the last name DI PEO was born in Castelfidardo in those 30 years ! The research is not easy because I really believe that Filippo’s last name was mispelled or changed when he arrived in Argentina.
In fact the last name DI PEO or DIPEO in Italy doesn’t exist. Please click here:

http://www.gens.info/italia/it/turismo- ... 3LCI-gzZPY

[Tessa78]

These surnames must have a space when entering into the GENS site - and the results are the names that exist TODAY...

The surname Di Peo is rare, but exists in Lazio Region
http://www.gens.info/italia/it/turismo- ... 3WPPcInbIU

The surname Di Peio is also rare, and exists in Lazio, Lombardia and Abruzzo Regions
http://www.gens.info/italia/it/turismo- ... 3WPpsInbIU

T.