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oscar344 wrote:So i can ask my grandfather about Nunzio, if that is correct I can then look into seeing when he was naturalized if he was naturalized. Where do you find that?
Absolutely, ask your grandfather if he has any clues that may help in the search.
With a bit more family information we may be able to help you locate your g-grandfather's census records in the US. (the census records you need are on a subscription site that many of our members belong to - ancestry. com)
If the census indicates that he said he was naturalized, you should be able to look either in the county he was living for his record, or thru the US govt.
Valarie
Go to www.footnote.com and see if you can join temporarily for a free week since this website will make it easy to trace his naturalziation. Just put in the first home page DI FEDE, NUNZIO NATURALIZATION and then you will see 1 Nunzio Di Fede and you can look him up free. =Peter=
Well i went to footnote.com and it found a Nunzio Di Fede (which hasn't been confirmed by grandfather yet) but it says that he was naturalized
* Title/Collection: Di Fede, Nunzio,
* Publication Number: M1675
* Publisher: NARA
* State: New York
* Short Description: NARA M1675. Alphabetical Index to Declarations of Intention of the US District Court for the Southern District of New York, 1917-1950.
* Surname Starts With: D
* Surname Starts With Two: Di
* Surname: Di Fede
* Immigrant Name: Di Fede, Nunzio,
but it doesn't give a date, the numbers on the picture are 233781 400 (i dont know if this is just a random image) but it said it is going to make me buy the document to look at it
If these are the correct people in my family, I am fine for citizenship right? Beause, if Nunzio was naturalized after 1917 my great grandfather was already born and therefore has italian citizenship correct?
oscar344 wrote:Well i went to footnote.com and it found a Nunzio Di Fede (which hasn't been confirmed by grandfather yet) but it says that he was naturalized
* Title/Collection: Di Fede, Nunzio,
* Publication Number: M1675
* Publisher: NARA
* State: New York
* Short Description: NARA M1675. Alphabetical Index to Declarations of Intention of the US District Court for the Southern District of New York, 1917-1950.
* Surname Starts With: D
* Surname Starts With Two: Di
* Surname: Di Fede
* Immigrant Name: Di Fede, Nunzio,
but it doesn't give a date, the numbers on the picture are 233781 400 (i dont know if this is just a random image) but it said it is going to make me buy the document to look at it...
Yes, it's an index card
It means there is a file under this name
With this information you can order the record ($) from NY
I'd wait until you can confirm the relationship
Note: footnote doesn't have NJ records (yet)
If this is a confirmed relationship, and if Nunzio became a naturalized citizen after the birth of my Great grandfather, am I eligible for citizenship?
oscar344 wrote:If this is a confirmed relationship, and if Nunzio became a naturalized citizen after the birth of my Great grandfather, am I eligible for citizenship?
from johnnyonthespot on your other post:
johnnyonthespot wrote:
...The greatest potential difficulty here is the possibility that your great-great-grandfather became a naturalized US citizen while your great-grandfather was still a minor child. If so, your great-grandfather would have automatically naturalized along with his father, thus ending the Italian line...
because the example that they use is this (and it is very akin to mine, thats why i wonder)
example:
NOTE: "Italian citizen at the time of birth" is extremely important in determining whether or not you qualify. Parents who became naturalized citizens of their new country BEFORE the birth of their children lost their Italian citizenship and COULD NOT pass citizenship on to them, while parents who became naturalized AFTER the birth of their children COULD pass citizenship on to them. For example, Achille Berto immigrated to the USA in 1895. He became a naturalized US citizen in 1919 and had a son David in 1921. Citizenship was not passed to David because Achille was an American citizen (naturalized in 1919) at the time of David's birth. Using another example, Massimo Meneghetti immigrated to the USA in 1912, had a daughter Eleanor in 1924 and became a naturalized US citizen in 1936. Citizenship WAS passed to Eleanor because Massimo was still an Italian citizen when she was born.
edit: replaced my explanation with James Bianco's clarification from later in the post
Valarie
JamesBianco wrote:
I think the confusion here is that children born in Italy lose their Italian citizenship if their father naturalizes while they still are minors. while American born children of Italian immigrants do not, provided their father naturalized after their birth regardless of the child's age at that point.
You'll need more information to see what your situation is - there are many variables.
Valarie
I am getting really far ahead of myself, my grandpa didn't even reply and tell me if Nunzio was his grandpa yet. But if that works out and i find that Guiseppe wasn't naturalized under Nunzio but the consulate tells me that he was how do I prove that he wasn't?
If your g-grandfather naturalized, you'll need copies of his Naturalization paperwork (edited per James Bianco's clarification later in the post)
If he didn't naturalize -
You're going to need to prove there is no record of naturalization
Depending upon which consulate you go thru, you will probably need a statement from not only the US Govt but each county where your Italian ancestor lived
oscar344 wrote:Well I know for a fact that his name is Joseph not Giuseppe. As well that he was exactly 2 years old when he came here. Another fact is that I know that he resided in New Jersey and that is where my grandfather grew up. I do not know what state he arrived in.
As well I can confirm this Location:
Vito J Fede
Birth date Jan 1931
Location New Jersey
(which would be his son)
form wldspirit
well, because Vito born in 1931, we can find almost the 1930 census of spouses. Joseph Fede and... the wife first name? They sure was married in 1930 because Vito born in jan 1931... maybe the name is mispelled on the censuses, so if you can say us the name of Joseph wife maybe we can help better... finding the wife we can know excatly the Joseph or what first name, the immigration year, and maybe the Joseph's father WWI draft registration card...
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suanj
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My great grandfather moved from Italy
I am pretty sure Sicily.
Checked spelling and variations of the surname FEDE. Highest concentration using correct spelling is in MODICA, RAGUSA.
There is also DI FEDE, FEDELE and other variations. However the name provided does exist in the original spelling.
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oscar344 wrote:If this is a confirmed relationship, and if Nunzio became a naturalized citizen after the birth of my Great grandfather, am I eligible for citizenship?
from johnnyonthespot on your other post:
johnnyonthespot wrote:
...The greatest potential difficulty here is the possibility that your great-great-grandfather became a naturalized US citizen while your great-grandfather was still a minor child. If so, your great-grandfather would have automatically naturalized along with his father, thus ending the Italian line...
Johnny of course is correct..
I think the confusion here is that children born in Italy lose their Italian citizenship if their father naturalizes while they still are minors. while American born children of Italian immigrants do not, provided their father naturalized after their birth regardless of the child's age at that point.
oscar344 wrote:If this is a confirmed relationship, and if Nunzio became a naturalized citizen after the birth of my Great grandfather, am I eligible for citizenship?
from johnnyonthespot on your other post:
johnnyonthespot wrote:
...The greatest potential difficulty here is the possibility that your great-great-grandfather became a naturalized US citizen while your great-grandfather was still a minor child. If so, your great-grandfather would have automatically naturalized along with his father, thus ending the Italian line...
Johnny of course is correct..
I think the confusion here is that children born in Italy lose their Italian citizenship if their father naturalizes while they still are minors. while American born children of Italian immigrants do not, provided their father naturalized after their birth regardless of the child's age at that point.
Hello James!
Thank you for the clarification
Valarie
clarification from later in the post
