Help Me Figure Out My Biological Great Grandfather!

[suanj]

Great finds, suanj !

From google books, 23 Dec 1950 issue of Billboard magazine, information on Paul Chelly and his Royal Roman orchestra:

http://books.google.com/books?id=vR0EAA ... 22&f=false

Biff

wonderful!!! maybe as Peter suggested could be possible to find more....!
Regards,
suanj

[Biff83]

the problem is to find more infos on Paolo Ovidio Chelli.... I cannot find the 1930 census; he is the biological great grandfather, surely..

suanj,
I've also been searching for any of them in the 1930 census but have found no probables for Paul, Marion or daughter Camilla/Carmella.

Pistolpete,
To verify the information posted, you should request a copy of the marriage document from 1926 and Paul Chelly's original social security application.

Valarie,
If you get a chance, could you check and see if you can find any information on Paul Chelly and/or the Royal Roman Orchestra on the newspaper archives site?

Biff

[vj]

Valarie,
If you get a chance, could you check and see if you can find any information on Paul Chelly and/or the Royal Roman Orchestra on the newspaper archives site?

Biff

Hi Biff & suanj!
No luck (yet)
Valarie

Here's an outline I started on the possible Amari family
(contains quite a few assumptions)

Descendants of Giuseppe Amari

1 Giuseppe Amari b: Abt. 1865 in Santa Ninfa, Trapani, Sicily
.. +Antonina Lo Truglio b: Abt. 1870 in Santa Ninfa, Trapani, Sicily m: Bef. 1887 in Italy d: 08 Apr 1944 in Brooklyn, Kings, NY
........ 2 Domenico Amari b: 13 Dec 1887 in Santa Ninfa, Trapani, Sicily d: 23 Oct 1938 in Brooklyn, Kings, NY
........ 2 Ignazio Giovanni Amari b: 02 Jul 1891 in Santa Ninfa, Trapani, Sicily d: Sep 1970 in Staten Island, Richmond, NY
........ 2 Eleonora Amari b: Abt. 1899 in Santa Ninfa, Trapani, Sicily
........ 2 Vito Amari b: 22 Jul 1902 in Santa Ninfa, Trapani, Sicily d: Dec 1979 in Kerhonkson, Ulster, NY
........ 2 Marianna Amari b: 01 Dec 1904 in Santa Ninfa, Trapani, Sicily d: 23 Aug 2002 in Flushing, Queens, NY
........ 2 Filippo S Amari b: 25 Nov 1908 in Santa Ninfa, Trapani, Sicily d: 06 Sep 1990 in Miami, Dade, FL
........ 2 Paolo Amari b: 01 May 1910 in Santa Ninfa, Trapani, Sicily d: 23 Dec 1982 in Tampa, Hillsborough, FL

[Pistolpete]

1913 manifest, line 11
Ovidio Chelli
Occupation: Music Master
Year of bireth: about 1889
Last residence and place of birth: San Demetrio
Nearest relative in Italy: mother Carmella
edited to correct destination city
Destination: Morgantown WV to join brother Antonio

Page 1

Page 2

Biff

just some input...
Antonio passport ??:

U.S. Passport Applications, 1795-1925
about Anthony Chelli
Name: Anthony Chelli
Birth Date: 18 Feb 1884
Birth Place: S Demetrio Neivestini, Italy
Residence: Morgantown, West Virginia
Passport Issue Date: 3 Mar 1923
Father Name: Raffaele Chelli
Father's Birth Location: Italy
Father's Residence: Dead
Passport Includes a Photo: Y
Source: Passport Applications, January 2, 1906 - March 31, 1925 (M1490)

pag 1 http://s6.imagestime.com/out.php/i443100_antonio1.jpg

pag 2 with picture http://s6.imagestime.com/out.php/i443101_antonio2.jpg
World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Antony Chelli
Name: Antony Chelli
County: Monongalia
State: West Virginia
Birth Date: 18 Feb 1884
Race: White
FHL Roll Number: 1992863
DraftBoard: 0

relative: Ugo Chelli ( also music teacher)

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Ugo Chelli
Name: Ugo Chelli
County: Monongalia
State: West Virginia
Birth Date: 16 Feb 1886
Race: White
FHL Roll Number: 1992863
DraftBoard: 0

relative: Norma Chelli sister in San Demetrio nei Vestini

U.S. World War II Draft Registration Cards, 1942
about Ugo Chelli
Name: Ugo Chelli
Birth Date: 15 Feb 1886
Birth Place:
Residence: Allegheny, Pennsylvania
Roll: WW2_2243919

married at Mrs Lucy Chelli in Pittsburg

1930 United States Federal Census
about Hugo Chelli
Name: Hugo Chelli
Home in 1930: Pittsburgh, Allegheny, Pennsylvania
View Map
Age: 43
Estimated birth year: abt 1887
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's name: Lucy
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace: View image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Hugo Chelli 43
Lucy Chelli 49
Victor Massimino 18
William Massimino 19
Frank Massimino 25
Arland Massimino 12
the children are all stepsons

regards, suanj

Very interesting stuff suanj. Imagine if I'm starring at my great grandfather. I'm trying to find the resemblance between him and my grandfather, and dad (Who looks like my grandfather).

The stepson stuff is interesting. By 1930, he should be with my Great Grandmother Marion/Marianna Amari. Whether they were married or not I don't know. He left when my grandfather was 2 so that should be somewhere in the late 1930's (around 1937).

All great work, really exciting that we're getting very close and I could to pinning this.

[Pistolpete]

Here's a 1914 trip with daughter Eleanora, son Vito did not sail
joining son Domenico in NYC
husband Giuseppe is in Santa Ninfa

26 Apr 1914 Manifest
page 2

Antonina Lo Truglio 44, abt 1870
- possible naturalization notation 2-1018848(?) 505 no c/a 7/24/42
- last residence S Ninfa
- in S Ninfa, husband Giuseppe Amari
- joining son Domenico in Brooklyn
- born in S Ninfa
Eleanora Amari 15, abt 1899
Vito Amari 12, abt 1902
- lined off, did not sail

Domenico Amari died in Brooklyn in 1938;
married at Antonina Alagna (1896 – 1993) Antonina remarried at Anthony Alexandro (1910 – 2001) in 1942...
1930 United States Federal Census
about Domonick Amari
Name: Domonick Amari
Home in 1930: Brooklyn, Kings, New York
View Map
Age: 42
Estimated birth year: abt 1888
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's name: Anna
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace: View image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Domonick Amari 42
Anna Amari 33
Joseph Amari 18
Ignatz Amari 15
Marion Amari 13
Anna Amari 12
Angelo Amari 10
Morris Amari 9
Consetti Amari 6
Vito Amari 1 5/12


World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Dominick Amari
Name: Dominick Amari
County: Tompkins
State: New York
Birthplace: Italy
Birth Date: 13 Dec 1887
Race: White
FHL Roll Number: 1819048
DraftBoard: 0

born in Santa Ninfa

marriage:
Amari Domenico Jun 5 1914 6155 (1914) Kings
Alagna Antonina Jun 5 1914 6155 (1914) Kings

death:
Amari Domenico 50 y Oct 23 1938 20634 (1938) Kings 1887 - 1888
the problem is to find more infos on Paolo Ovidio Chelli.... I cannot find the 1930 census; he is the biological great grandfather, surely..

Name: Paul Chelly
Birth: 28 Jun 1894
Death: May 1970 - Central Islip, Suffolk, New York, United States of America
Civil: New York

Wow, great find. Domenico dieing young explains why my father doesn't know much about him. Heck, my grandfather was barely alive at that point. And those names are very similitude to a lot of the names of the kids of Giuseppe and Antonina. Great work!

[Pistolpete]

Great finds, suanj !

From google books, 23 Dec 1950 issue of Billboard magazine, information on Paul Chelly and his Royal Roman orchestra:

http://books.google.com/books?id=vR0EAA ... 22&f=false

Biff

Very interesting Biff. And the 1930's would be a perfect time frame for him to be doing this stuff. That could be why he left as maybe he wanted more time for his craft. I'm getting a discerning feeling that Paul Chelly may be our guy. At least that his last name might not be Chelli but Chelly. Both are open potentials as for now.

the problem is to find more infos on Paolo Ovidio Chelli.... I cannot find the 1930 census; he is the biological great grandfather, surely..

suanj,
I've also been searching for any of them in the 1930 census but have found no probables for Paul, Marion or daughter Camilla/Carmella.

Pistolpete,
To verify the information posted, you should request a copy of the marriage document from 1926 and Paul Chelly's original social security application.

Valarie,
If you get a chance, could you check and see if you can find any information on Paul Chelly and/or the Royal Roman Orchestra on the newspaper archives site?

Biff

I'll try to see if I can do that Biff.

For any new news, my father believes that he played the "Trumpet." He says that's all he remembers his father or someone saying he played trumpet.

[Pistolpete]

Valarie,
If you get a chance, could you check and see if you can find any information on Paul Chelly and/or the Royal Roman Orchestra on the newspaper archives site?

Biff

Hi Biff & suanj!
No luck (yet)
Valarie

Here's an outline I started on the possible Amari family
(contains quite a few assumptions)

Descendants of Giuseppe Amari

1 Giuseppe Amari b: Abt. 1865 in Santa Ninfa, Trapani, Sicily
.. +Antonina Lo Truglio b: Abt. 1870 in Santa Ninfa, Trapani, Sicily m: Bef. 1887 in Italy d: 08 Apr 1944 in Brooklyn, Kings, NY
........ 2 Domenico Amari b: 13 Dec 1887 in Santa Ninfa, Trapani, Sicily d: 23 Oct 1938 in Brooklyn, Kings, NY
........ 2 Ignazio Giovanni Amari b: 02 Jul 1891 in Santa Ninfa, Trapani, Sicily d: Sep 1970 in Staten Island, Richmond, NY
........ 2 Eleonora Amari b: Abt. 1899 in Santa Ninfa, Trapani, Sicily
........ 2 Vito Amari b: 22 Jul 1902 in Santa Ninfa, Trapani, Sicily d: Dec 1979 in Kerhonkson, Ulster, NY
........ 2 Marianna Amari b: 01 Dec 1904 in Santa Ninfa, Trapani, Sicily d: 23 Aug 2002 in Flushing, Queens, NY
........ 2 Filippo S Amari b: 25 Nov 1908 in Santa Ninfa, Trapani, Sicily d: 06 Sep 1990 in Miami, Dade, FL
........ 2 Paolo Amari b: 01 May 1910 in Santa Ninfa, Trapani, Sicily d: 23 Dec 1982 in Tampa, Hillsborough, FL

Valeria that all sounds terrific. My father confirmed Phil and Paul moving to Florida. I wouldn't be suprised if Eleonora passed away young too. My father couldn't register an Eleonora nor a Dominico. However, Vito and Ignazio (Williams) rings a bell.

[Biff83]

[quote="Biff]
To verify the information posted, you should request a copy of the marriage document from 1926 and Paul Chelly's original social security application.Biff[/quote]

[quote=Pistolpete]I'll try to see if I can do that Biff. [/quote]

And a copy of his naturalization papers.

Biff

[suanj]

Pistolpete, the surname is Chelli anglicized in Chelly... no doubts abt that... as Biff suggested, better to request the marriage certificate of Paul and Marion, so you can be very sure that is the right Marion ... the 1930 census ... lacking, but it is possible that Paul moving with family and orchestra...
suanj
I missed of to say that Paul mother was Carmela Chelli nee Barone

[Biff83]

I'm sure that the naturalization index card I posted previously is for Marianna Amari Chelli aka Marion Chelli.

I located the engagement announcement for daughter Carmella in 1949 which shows mother as Mrs. Joseph Sgroi, address as 1085 De Kalb Ave in Brooklyn, one of the addresses shown on the index card.

Go to this site and search for the exact phrase:
Car mella Chelli (use spaces as shown)

http://www.fultonhistory.com/Fulton.html

Biff

[suanj]

GREAT!!!
now Pistolpete can be sure to 100% that Paolo Ovidio Chelli is the biological great grandfather!!
suanj

[vj]

Fantastic Biff!
The address confirms the ID.
Congratulations!
Valarie

for everyone's reference,
Here's a scan of Biff's find

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/4794/73296432.jpg

[Pistolpete]

I'm sure that the naturalization index card I posted previously is for Marianna Amari Chelli aka Marion Chelli.

I located the engagement announcement for daughter Carmella in 1949 which shows mother as Mrs. Joseph Sgroi, address as 1085 De Kalb Ave in Brooklyn, one of the addresses shown on the index card.

Go to this site and search for the exact phrase:
Car mella Chelli (use spaces as shown)

http://www.fultonhistory.com/Fulton.html

Biff

Wow... so it's confirmed. This is my great grandfather

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/3323 ... tindex.jpg

And it's the first WWII Draft card?

WWII Draft Card
Name: Ovid Paul Chelly
Birth Date: 28 Jun 1893
Birth Place: Rome
Residence: New York City
Race: White
Unemployed

WWI Draft Reg Card
Name: Ovidio Chelli
County: Warwick
State: Virginia
Birthplace: San Demetrio ne' Vestini, province of L'Aquila, region of Abruzzo
Birth Date: 28 Jun 1889
Occupation: Musician

[Biff83]

[quote="Pistolpete]And it's the first WWII Draft card?[/quote]

There are two records, one for WWI and one for WWII. Both for your great grandfather in my opinion.

Biff

[Pistolpete]

Thank you guys so much. You've been incredibly helpful and I'm grateful. Never dreamed it would take 2 days to track down my biological great grandfather. Not only that, but know his mother's name, where he was born and where he lived. This happens to be my my only non-Sicilian Italian ancestry, which is fascinating. He was and lived near Rome. I'm just ecstatic.

This Ellis Island report says he was blind.

http://ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup_wei ... &line=0009