italian name Leber

[suanj]

it is very strange that no more records abt Charles Angelo Leber...
I found Mary Spatz on 1900 census:
1900 United States Federal Census about Louise M Spatz
Name: Louise M Spatz
[Louise M Staty]
Age: 8
Birth Date: Oct 1898
Birthplace: Ohio
Home in 1900: Cincinnati Ward 25, Hamilton, Ohio
[Hamilton]
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Daughter
Marital Status: Single
Father's Name: Louis P Spatz
Father's Birthplace: Ohio
Mother's Name: Barbara Spatz
Mother's Birthplace: Ohio
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Louis P Spatz 33
Barbara Spatz 26
Louise M Spatz 8


I was thinking abt Charles Angelo birthplace: Sagant... on the "g" another "n" previous.. it could be possible that "Sagant/Sangant" means Sant'Agata... maybe Sant'Agata di Militello? here exist Liberto surname....
also the first name Charles Angelo... many sicilians used Charles instead of italian Calogero...
frankly... I cannot understand why the family is not in 1930 census... I searched so much and nothing... no WWII draft registration card... it is a hard search...
suanj

[pink67]

I believe that there are no Missouri WW2 Draft registration cards online...

from Ancestry.com:

Which states are currently available in this database?
This database currently contains draft cards for the following states:

Alaska
Arkansas*
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Connecticut
Delaware
Idaho
Illinois
Indiana*
Maryland
Massachusetts
New Hampshire
New Jersey
New York*
Ohio*
Oregon
Pennsylvania
Puerto Rico
Rhode Island
Vermont
Virginia
Washington
West Virginia

and Familysearch.org:

United States, World War II Draft Registration Cards, 1942

Description

Name index and images of cards for men, age 45-64 (born 1877-1897), included in the fourth draft conducted on April 27, 1942. The indexed portion of this publication currently includes the states of Arkansas, California, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Indiana, Louisiana, Maryland, Michigan, Nevada, New Jersey, New York Bronx, New York Kings, New York Manhattan, New York Queens, New York Staten Island, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Texas, West Virginia, and Wisconsin.


Laura

[suanj]

it is ok, but the 1930 census ... Charles Angelo Leber? Mystery.

[vj]

Hi!
Suanj, great ideas on Sant'Agata di Militello!
Laura, thanks for checking out Missouri for WWII cards, that explains why it can't be found.
I agree they should be on the 1930 census in St Louis. It's possible they were missed.
I've also tried searching for their son Charles/Roy in 1930 without success.

'murse1973' What year was son Kenneth born?

Valarie

[vj]

Using the address off the death certificate that Laura found here's the 1940 census

1940 census
http://imageshack.us/a/img585/452/1940.jpg

Location: Normandy Twp (Pine Lawn Village), St Louis County, MO
Street Address: 4801 Rosewood Ave, rents $10
Residence on 1 Apr 1935: Same Place

head Charles Leber, 46 (abt 1894) West Virginia
- divorced
- completed 8th grade
- clothing cleaner for a clothes cleaning company
- paid worker
- $616 salary in 1939
son Kenneth Leber 9 (abt 1931) Missouri
daughter Mary Leber 7 (abt 1933) Missouri

[suanj]

our WONDERFUL VALARIE!!!
great find!
suanj

[vj]

Thank you suanj!
It was worth the long search
Perhaps there's a divorce record in St Louis County between 1932 - 1940...
I checked the same address in 1930 - they're not there
Valarie

[suanj]

In 1930, Pine Lawn was part of Central Township, St Louis, Missouri..: if the family was in Central Township also in 1930, just I found:

1930 United States Federal Census about Allen Leiber
Name: Allen Leiber
Gender: Male
Birth Year: abt 1897
Birthplace: Missouri
Race: White
Home in 1930: Central, St Louis, Missouri
View Map

Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Alice Leiber
Father's Birthplace: Missouri
Mother's Birthplace: Missouri
Occupation:

Education:

Military Service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace:
View image

Neighbors: View others on page

Household Members: Name Age
Allen Leiber
33
Alice Leiber
26
Charles Leiber
8

wife and son born in Illinois???
it cannot be...
suanj

[vj]

Hey suanj!
I think it's possible that this is the correct family
Right location
Mary Spatz's first name 'Alice' from 1897 birth record in Cincinnati
Son Charles
It would not have been unusual for Chas Angelo's first name to have been written incorrectly
Birth locations - who knows why they would be incorrect??
It certainly would explain why we've been having trouble locating them
Big Hug
Valarie

[suanj]

yes dear Valarie, it is the only possible census... he was italian, surely... but for some reason, declaring himself born in West Virginia in 1940... and so maybe he declared that he was born in Missouri in 1930 census... this family had no easy life ... maybe we can search in Illinois births if the son Charles Leber/Leiber was born really ....
hugs,
suanj

[vj]

suanj,
That's a great idea!
St. Clair County, Illinois is just across the river from St Louis
Valarie

[vj]

Just a little more information:
http://imageshack.us/a/img814/9181/1938w.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img96/4443/1938a.jpg

from 1938 Polk's St. Louis County (Missouri) Directory
Pine Lawn Station (PL) same neighborhood as 1940
Chas Leber
4713a Jennings Rd (now Jennings Station Rd)
Street Directory:
- same bldg as the Federal Cleaning Co
Name Directory
- his wife isn't listed (in parantheses) like other listings

[suanj]

Thanks Valarie.. I think that maybe also the birthyear cannot be correct: on WWI draft registration card is 1889; in 1920 census: 1886... in 1930 the birthyear is 1897...

I believe that he was born before of 1886...
hugs,
suanj

[vj]

Hey suanj,

I agree about his age, he seemed to be sensitive about being older.

On his marriage record he was younger again:
groom's name: Charles Leber
groom's birth date: 1892
groom's birthplace: Italy
groom's age: 25
bride's name: Marie Spatz
bride's birth date: 1896
bride's birthplace: Cin'Ti., O
bride's age: 21

Also,
I'm guessing he may have worked in Ingleside (Princeton) Mercer County, West Virginia when he arrived - from the 1939 Death Certificate birth location
Valarie

interesting article
http://www.wvencyclopedia.org/articles/924

"With more than 17,000 Italian immigrants in the state by 1910, they made up 30 percent of West Virginia’s foreign-born population... While immigrants were attracted to West Virginia from all over the Italian peninsula, the majority came from that country’s southern regions of Campania, Calabria, and Sicily. Many of the Sicilian immigrants came from the center of that island and were fleeing the depressed conditions in the sulfur mining industry..."

[murse1973]

hey valarie,

Kennth Leber, he still lives in Missouri and he was born on 27 may 1930.

Thanks everyone for all the hard work you all put in researching these for me. My mother and I greatly appreciate it.

Thanks, Mike