Paul Frugoli

[Sumary]

Looking for info on Paul (Paolo) Frugoli have no birth or death dates, the only mention of him that I can find is
Illinois deaths& stillbirths -1916-1947” from his son Peter Frugoli’s info. It mentions his father Paul Frugoli was born in Lucca,Italy and married to Maria Serni also from Lucca, Italy. Thank you.

[Tessa78]

Is the Paul mentioned as father in this death of Joseph Frugoli the same one?
That would put Paul's DOB prior to about 1830.

Name: Joseph Frugoli
Event Date: 28 Jun 1932
Event Place: Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Gender: Male
Race: white
Age: 81
Birth Year (Estimated): 1851
Birth Date: 19 Nov 1850
Birthplace: Lucca, Italy
Father's Name: Paul Frugoli
Father's Birthplace: Lucca, Italy
Mother's Name: Maria Serni
Mother's Birthplace: Lucca, Italy
Occupation: Restaurant Owner
Residence Place: Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Spouse's Name: Theresa Padeth
Burial Date: 01 Jul 1932
Burial Place: Proviso, Cook, Illinois
Cemetery: Mt. Carmel

Other information in the record of Joseph Frugoli
Name: Joseph Frugoli
Event Date: 28 Jun 1932
Event Place: Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Gender: Male
Race: white
Age: 81
Birth Year (Estimated): 1851
Birth Date: 19 Nov 1850
Birthplace: Lucca, Italy
Father's Name: Paul Frugoli
Father's Birthplace: Lucca, Italy
Mother's Name: Maria Serni
Mother's Birthplace: Lucca, Italy
Occupation: Restaurant Owner
Residence Place: Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Spouse's Name: Theresa Padeth
Burial Date: 01 Jul 1932
Burial Place: Proviso, Cook, Illinois
Cemetery: Mt. Carmel

Digital Folder Number: 4153873
Image Number: 454
GS Film number: 1893254
Reference ID: rn 17874

Citing this Record
"Illinois Deaths and Stillbirths, 1916-1947," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NQF6-QPQ : 9 March 2018), Theresa Padeth in entry for Joseph Frugoli, 28 Jun 1932; Public Board of Health, Archives, Springfield; FHL microfilm 1,893,254.

T.

[Sumary]

Yes I believe it is the same Paul Frugoli but I haven’t been to find any dates or references on him or Maria Serni.
Thank you for your help.

[Tessa78]

This 1930 US census for Joseph (death info above) indicates an immigration about 1880

https://www.familysearch.org/arkcolon/6 ... 3axsgl-dg3

Here is arrival of Joseph. He was age 28 upon his arrival in 1881. That would put his father's age (Paul/Paolo) at least 48, but probably older. So born before 1833 ?

https://www.familysearch.org/arkcolon/6 ... onkd4z-r7w

Unfortunately, records for years around 1830 are very limited.
Do you know if Joseph or Peter (or any other sibling was married in Italy?)
Perhaps I can find Paul Frugoli and Maria Serni that way.

Edit to add:
In this death info for Joseph's son Paul, it states that Paul (grandson of the Paul you are searching for) was born in Italy. I will see if I can find that record, and if it provides any other clues.
https://www.familysearch.org/arkcolon/6 ... nq2m4-m64z

T.

[suanj]

Hi,
Joseph had a brother named Pietro. He also went in Chicago on 1891.
Well he stated to be born in LAMMARI. Lammari is a hamlet of Capannori, Lucca, IT.

Paolino FRUGOLI born in Lammari of Capannori on 9 Jan 1879 #39 son of Giuseppe 28 old, farmer and of Teresa PAOLETTI farmer also
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=2043811
click to enlarge
regards,
suanj

[suanj]

Marriage: Lammari of Capannori, IT 4 Mar 1878 #48
GROOM: Giuseppe FRUGOLI, 27 old, farmer born and residing in Lammari, son of Paolino and of Maria Domenica PIERONI
BRIDE: Teresa PAOLETTI 24 old, farmer, born and residing in Lammari, daughter of Leonardo and Marianna MICHELETTI

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=2043811
regards,
suanj

[Tessa78]

Great finds, suanj!

The poster is looking for information about Paul/Paolo/Paolino Frugoli, the father of Giuseppe and Pietro.
I can see that you have already found that the information the poster has about the mother's name needs correcting.

Based on the marriage you posted, the mother is Maria Domenica Pieroni, not Serni. Wonderful!
And you have narrowed down the town of origin. Brava!!!!

Hugs to you!

EDIT TO ADD:

Here is the death of a daughter of Paolino Frugoli and Maria Domenica Pieroni's - Giuditta - in 1895.
Both parents are still living.
Paolino is identified as a merchant. No age given.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=2043811

T.

[suanj]

Yes Tessa, I understand, but without knowing where he was born, nothing can be resolved. first you have to find the place of origin of the family, and start with the most recent. And this I did. As for the records prior to 1866, unfortunately we have to abandon, because there are only those of the local parish archives. Nothing online. And therefore we abandon all hope. There are instead, now that we know we have to search in Capannori and not in Lucca, that for Capannori there are indices of births, deaths and marriages, but they start from 1851 until 1860
http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... +di+Lucca/

and then continue from 1861 to 1865

http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... +di+Lucca/
They are indexes and therefore there is no text from which one could know the age of Paolino sr .. Furthermore they are not helpfuls either because Giuseppe was born in 1850. So one has to resign oneself. The only useful thing was that I found that it was a family of Lammari di Capannori.
We can try to find some other news, but not exactly what the poster asks for.

Hugs,
suanj

[Tessa78]

Here is the extract of the baptism of Giuseppe Frugoli whose marriage suanj has posted above.
It is located in the Allegati of marriage for Giuseppe and Teresa in 1878.

The birth/baptism record indicates that Gio Bartolomeo Giuseppe Frugoli is the son of Paolino, who is the son of deceased Giuseppe; and of Maria Domenica Pieroni, daughter of Leonardo - both of Lammari.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=2043811

T.

[suanj]

good find Tessa! So Giuseppe was the 3th given name and used it.. instead of Gio(Giovanni) 1th, Bartolomeo 2th...
suanj

[Sumary]

Thank you so much Tessa and Suanj you are unbelievable! So much information you have given me,I am so very grateful. Thank you again