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Seeking help finding 2 death records to solve family mystery

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I know that my great-grandmother Elisa DeAngeli was orphaned and raised my nuns. We're trying to find out the year / How old she was and hopefully eventually the location of where she was raised by nuns, etc. to fill in the blanks of her story.

In order to do this my family and I have been trying to find her parents death certificates. Any help is greatly appreciated. Below is what I know.

Her father was Lazzaro DeAngeli
He was born 18 OCT 1841 in Ville di Panicale, Licciana Nardi, Massa-Carrara, Toscana, Italy to Simone Deangeli and Maria Sarti

Lazzaro was married once before he married my 2nd great grandmother. His 1st wife died days after giving birth to Adele Maddalena Deangeli ( We're hoping to find out more about her as well... she too may have been orphaned and raised by nuns as she and Elisa were only 5 years apart in age)

Next on 9 May 1881 Lazzaro married Domenica Santini in panicale village, Licciana Nardi, Massa-Carrara, Toscana, Italy.

Domenica Santini was born on 3 APR 1852 in Panicale, Licciana Nardi, Massa-Carrara, Toscana, Italy to Pietro Santini and Maria Rossini

On 30 NOV 1883 my Great Grandmother was born in Licciana, Massa-Carrara, Toscana, Italy. Her father Lazzaro was 41 and a farmer according to her birth record.

Thank you in advance for any help you might be able to provide.
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Her father was Lazzaro DeAngeli
He was born 18 OCT 1841 in Ville di Panicale, Licciana Nardi, Massa-Carrara, Toscana, Italy to Simone Deangeli and Maria Sarti

Lazzaro was married once before he married my 2nd great grandmother. His 1st wife died days after giving birth to Adele Maddalena Deangeli ( We're hoping to find out more about her as well... she too may have been orphaned and raised by nuns as she and Elisa were only 5 years apart in age)
Here is the birth act of Adele Maddalena Deangeli - born in 1878
Father: Lazzarro Deangeli, 37, farmer
Mother: Pasqualina Gaspare

There is a notation on the record of Adele's death in 1966 in Licciana Nardi.
The month is hard to read (looks like 16 February 1966,) but the record number is listed as #15 in Parte I.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=2043539

For reference purposes...
Here is the birth act for Elisa Deangeli in 1883
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=2043539

Edit to add:

I searched for death acts from 1883 - 1906 for Lazzaro Deangeli and Domenica Santini, without success.


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Thank you for trying this is the problem that I have been having.
Someone did find and share with me her 1/2 sisters marriage record but the translation did not include if her father Lazzaro was living or deceased at the time.

Knowing if he was alive at the time would be a great clue

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=2043539
Here is the translation that I was given:
1899 Oct 5ttri and deceased Caterina Gabrielli and Adele Maddalena De'Angeli age 21 born in Licciana Nardi daughter of Lazaro DeAngeli and Pasquina Gasprinih in the town of Licciana Nardi Giuseppe Comastri age 24 born in Licciana Nardi son of Pietro Comas
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Both of Adele's parents are listed as deceased in the marriage record.

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Thank you :)
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This is not the marriage, but rather the Publication of the Marriage Banns (#12)
There are some errors in the translation you were given...

The correct translation:
Dated 1899 on 12 April, at 11:20 AM in the town hall in Licciana, appeared
Giuseppe Comastri, 24, farmer, residing in Salano, son of Pietro [Comastri], 71, farmer residing in Salano; and of deceased Caterina Gabrielli, who resided in Salano in her lifetime.
AND
Adele DeAngeli, 21, farmer, residing in Salano, daughter of deceased Lazzaro [DeAngeli], farmer who resided in Villa di Panicale in his lifetime; and of deceased Pasqua Gaspari, farmer who resided in Villa di Panicale in her lifetime.
The father of the groom was present to give consent.
The act of death of the groom's mother was presented.
The posting of the banns (announcement) was on 16, 23, and 27 April 1899.

The village of Salano is part of the Comune of Licciana Nardi
http://italia.indettaglio.it/eng/toscan ... alano.html

Here is the link to the marriage act which took place on 5 October 1899 (#17)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=2043539

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Tessa78 wrote: 15 Nov 2020, 19:00 ....

There is a notation on the record of Adele's death in 1966 (16.7.66) in Licciana Nardi.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=2043539

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mmogno wrote: 16 Nov 2020, 15:54
Tessa78 wrote: 15 Nov 2020, 19:00 ....

There is a notation on the record of Adele's death in 1966 (16.7.66) in Licciana Nardi.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=2043539

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Grazie, mmogno! I was not sure if it was a 2 or a 7 :-)

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Edit to add:
Here is the death of Lazzaro Deangeli's father, Simone Deangeli, at age 80, in 1886 (12 November)
He was the widower of Maria Sarti, and the son of deceased (both) Domenico Deangeli and Domenica Copelli.
#76
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=2043539

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