RE: PARISH MARRIAGE RECORD LAPIO AVELLINO 1803
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mezzogiorno62
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RE: PARISH MARRIAGE RECORD LAPIO AVELLINO 1803
i posted this recently for possible deciphering. this image was recently rescanned and hopefully this is a better and clearer copy of the original photocopy i was sent many years ago. marriage record sent to me many years ago from the parish priest in lapio avellino. don nicolino di stasio i believe. giovanni ricca and rosa martino 1803. i've tried to have the contents deciphered many times over the years with no success. faded and unreadable. 220 years old. this is a slightly better image of the one i was sent. scanned to 300 dpi from 96 dpi. can anyone here decipher the information in this record now? my main purpose is to see if the parents of the subjects are noted-especially the wife rosa martino,as i have the parents of giovanni ricca. was it standard practice to enter the names of the parents in these pre civil registration parish records? civil registration records after 1809 in mainland italy-and 1820 in sicily-contain this information. these old records were probably written in latin. any help most appreciated.
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Re: RE: PARISH MARRIAGE RECORD LAPIO AVELLINO 1803
I cannot help much, but it is clear that this record is in Latin. The bit you are looking for seems to be the middle section, beginning (I think) with the 9th line down (but possibly 5th). From what I can see the record relates to a Giovanni? and a Rosa di ...o (Martino?). I can see the words "et Rosa di ...".
I'm not seeing parents' names but the copy is so poor that it's hard to read much at all. In my experience, pre-1809, parents' names were usually given only to distinguish between people of the same name and will be in the form (for example) "Vincentium qm. Nicolai Cerullo", for Vincenzo Cerullo, son of Nicola, where there might have been two people in the parish called Vincenzo Cerullo. This can sometimes extend to include the mother's name if multiple fathers and sons existed with the same names, but this is not very common. Of course, each priest had some discretion and some were better record keepers than others.
As you say, the scan of the original record is not very good - photocopying lacks sensitivity to subtle differences in shading, etc., and you can see that it's made it very difficult to read this document. (From a preservation perspective, it's also not very good to photocopy old registers because of the handling involved).
The original record may well be faded, but I would expect it to be much more legible if captured using a proper camera or read with a naked eye. My advice would be to see if they can send a better copy - even a modern phone camera would likely do a better job. Or, perhaps try to visit the church yourself (if at all possible) but make sure to contact the priest well in advance to negotiate permission to access the records. The fact that you've got a priest who has been willing to help in the past is quite lucky as it is.
I'm not seeing parents' names but the copy is so poor that it's hard to read much at all. In my experience, pre-1809, parents' names were usually given only to distinguish between people of the same name and will be in the form (for example) "Vincentium qm. Nicolai Cerullo", for Vincenzo Cerullo, son of Nicola, where there might have been two people in the parish called Vincenzo Cerullo. This can sometimes extend to include the mother's name if multiple fathers and sons existed with the same names, but this is not very common. Of course, each priest had some discretion and some were better record keepers than others.
As you say, the scan of the original record is not very good - photocopying lacks sensitivity to subtle differences in shading, etc., and you can see that it's made it very difficult to read this document. (From a preservation perspective, it's also not very good to photocopy old registers because of the handling involved).
The original record may well be faded, but I would expect it to be much more legible if captured using a proper camera or read with a naked eye. My advice would be to see if they can send a better copy - even a modern phone camera would likely do a better job. Or, perhaps try to visit the church yourself (if at all possible) but make sure to contact the priest well in advance to negotiate permission to access the records. The fact that you've got a priest who has been willing to help in the past is quite lucky as it is.
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mezzogiorno62
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Re: RE: PARISH MARRIAGE RECORD LAPIO AVELLINO 1803
my only reason to try and decipher this record was to see if the parents names of thesubjects were included,which theyre probably not,unlike the civil records. no way i'm going to the parish or any of that at this point.i need the namesof the brides parents,rosa martino,as i have the names of the parents of giovanni ricca the husband. long past the point of going to consult the parish records directly. this isnt even the copy mad eby the priest at the time. maybe the 2nd or 3rd copy i made of the one sent. just recent had it rescanned from 96 dpi to 300 dpi.i'm currently waiting for a response from a deciphering expert to see what they can do at the new england historical genealogical society here in massachusetts. as recommended i had it rescanned from 96 dpi to300 dpi whatever that means. probably a technical term for restoring the original ink and faded handwriting. this is the only parish record i've ever recieved in 20 years of research. andi've contacted many over the years. civil records are available at family search or the antenati site. i've heard of success stories from others here regarding access to these pre civil registration parish records,extending their family lines back into the 17th and 18th century, but i've never had such luck. no idea how theyve done it when this is the only parish record i've been able to access.