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Request Birth Translation / Father Issue

Anna Parisi b. 1822 Marineo
One document has Carmelo as the Father/ other Latin document has Onofiro as her Father

https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 08/wRapxYV
371 di 742 • pag. 371 Onofiro Parisi

https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 35/5KOZ3Pd
No. 234
260 di 279 • pag. 260 Carmelo Parisi

Anna's 1837 marriage record has both men listed-
https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 08/5BWq7DZ
374 di 742 • pag. 374

and on this 1837 Marriage record/ it's Onofiro
https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 32/0J8Q2Ad

56 of 138 • pag. 56

Nicholas n' Joan

[AngelaGrace56]

Request Birth Translation / Father Issue

Anna Parisi b. 1822 Marineo
One document has Carmelo as the Father/ other Latin document has Onofiro as her Father
https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 08/wRapxYV
371 di 742 • pag. 371 Onofiro Parisi
I agree that there are discrepancies between the civil record and the Baptism extract. Here the father is Onofrio Parisi, as you say.


https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 35/5KOZ3Pd
No. 234
260 di 279 • pag. 260 Carmelo Parisi
1822 Birth Record, yes it says Maestro Carmelo Parisi, 45 yo, husband of Giuseppa Zuccarello, 25 yo. Only the official signed as the declarant and witnesses were illiterate.



Anna's 1837 marriage record has both men listed-
https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 08/5BWq7DZ
374 di 742 • pag. 374
I am reading “Maestro Onofrio Parisi, the son of the deceased Maestro Carmelo ...”
This record, is what is known in some towns as “Atto di Contentamento” (Act of Contentment or in my words “notarised document of approval/permission given by the parents for the marriage to take place, often used when a child is still a minor” as was so in this case. Anna was only 15. Anna’s father has signed the document “Onofrio” Parisi – so was literate by 1837.



and on this 1837 Marriage record/ it's Onofiro
https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 32/0J8Q2Ad
56 of 138 • pag. 56
Indeed it does. The info would've been verified by the presentation of Anna's Baptism Record.

Nicholas n' Joan

My thinking is that the Civil Birth Record is in error. It’s interesting that it was never picked up? (But then again the Baptism Extract is a hand written copy of the original, and often errors are made in those extracts?) To be sure, look for other birth and marriage records pertaining to Onofrio Parisi and Giuseppa Zuccarello, and also their death records. (The other thing that may have happened was that instead of Onofrio reporting Anna’s birth, his father Carmelo did on his behalf, except it does quote Giuseppa Zuccarello as being the declarant’s wife. An error? The declarant (Carmelo/Onofrio) was aged 45, Giuseppa was 25 in 1822. Baptism and Birth Registration both occurred on Anna’s birthdate 19 December 1822.) I'll keep my thinking cap on.



Angela

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Onofrio was a master "Saponaro" - soap maker.

Angela

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Interesting profession !!
Thank you for all that insite on those records.

Anna and Giuseppe had 4 children that we could find / 3 with birth records ( Onofrio abt. 1849 not found )

Girolamo-1845 -https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... DW?lang=en
No. 155--159 of 306 • pag. 159-160

Giuseppa- 1850 -https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... on?lang=en
No. 140--133 of 400 • pag. 133-134

Carmelo-1853 -https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... Jz?lang=en
No. 224--278 of 280 • pag. 278

No Death Records found for Anna / Giuseppe was d. 1893 ( working on it )

Onofrio Cangialosi/ 1875 Marriage -No. 46--Img.1938

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=2051639

Most Welcome for your time,

Nicholas n' Joan

[AngelaGrace56]

Interesting profession !!
Thank you for all that insite on those records.

Anna and Giuseppe had 4 children that we could find / 3 with birth records ( Onofrio abt. 1849 not found )

Girolamo-1845 -https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... DW?lang=en
No. 155--159 of 306 • pag. 159-160

Giuseppa- 1850 -https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... on?lang=en
No. 140--133 of 400 • pag. 133-134

Carmelo-1853 -https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... Jz?lang=en
No. 224--278 of 280 • pag. 278

No Death Records found for Anna / Giuseppe was d. 1893 ( working on it )

Onofrio Cangialosi/ 1875 Marriage -No. 46--Img.1938

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=2051639

Most Welcome for your time,

Nicholas n' Joan

Great. I've been out most of the day. Thanks for the head's up on when Giuseppe died. Here is his death record:

Death No 183: Giuseppe Cangialosi
Registered Marineo: 2 November 1893
Giuseppe Cangialosi, 80 yo, murifabro (mason/bricklayer), residing Marineo, born Marineo, the son of the deceased Salvatore, murifabro, who lived in Marineo when living, and of the deceased Giuseppa Navarra, a casalinga (domestic duties), who lived in Marineo in life died 3.20 pm yesterday (1 Nov 1893) at the house in Via Palermo. Giuseppe was the widower of Anna Parisi.

Finding Anna’s death record will be helpful in confirming her father's name.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=2051639

Angela

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Jusst found Anna's brother.--
With Parents/ Onofrio Parisi--Giuseppa Zuccarello

Salvatore Parisi -- b. 12 Jun 1828--
No. 113
https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 41/LP6QWM7
119 di 238 • pag. 119-120

Search goes on !!!!
Nicholas n' Joan

[AngelaGrace56]

Interesting profession !!
Thank you for all that insite on those records.

Anna and Giuseppe had 4 children that we could find / 3 with birth records ( Onofrio abt. 1849 not found )

Girolamo-1845 -https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... DW?lang=en
No. 155--159 of 306 • pag. 159-160

Giuseppa- 1850 -https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... on?lang=en
No. 140--133 of 400 • pag. 133-134

Carmelo-1853 -https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... Jz?lang=en
No. 224--278 of 280 • pag. 278

No Death Records found for Anna / Giuseppe was d. 1893 ( working on it )

Onofrio Cangialosi/ 1875 Marriage -No. 46--Img.1938

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=2051639

Most Welcome for your time,

Nicholas n' Joan

Great. I've been out most of the day. Thanks for the head's up on when Giuseppe died. Here is his death record:

Death No 183: Giuseppe Cangialosi
Registered Marineo: 2 November 1893
Giuseppe Cangialosi, 80 yo, murifabro (mason/bricklayer), residing Marineo, born Marineo, the son of the deceased Salvatore, murifabro, who lived in Marineo when living, and of the deceased Giuseppa Navarra, a casalinga (domestic duties), who lived in Marineo in life died 3.20 pm yesterday (1 Nov 1893) at the house in Via Palermo. Giuseppe was the widower of Anna Parisi.

Finding Anna’s death record will be helpful in confirming her father's name.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=2051639

Angela

Here are the translations for the links you've posted here:

Birth No 55 – Girolamo Cangialosi
Registered Marineo – 21 July 1845
Maestro Giuseppe Cangialosi, 30 yo, Panettiere (baker), living in Marineo presented a baby boy born from his wife Anna Parisi, 18 yo, and from himself the declarant. Baby boy was born today, 21 July 1845 at 11 am in the house they lived and given the name Girolamo. Girolamo Cangialosi was baptised in Marineo Parish the same day.
https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 60/w9NWkDW


Birth No 140 – Giuseppa Cangialosi
Registered Marineo – 3 April 1850
M. Giuseppe Cangialosi, 35 yo, Panettiere (baker), living in Marineo, presented a baby girl born from Anna Parisi, 28 yo, and from himself the declarant. She was born 2 April 1850 at 8 pm, in the house they lived and given the name Giuseppa. She was baptised on 3 April 1850 in Marineo Parish.
https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 65/5xaGaon


Yes, I checked for Carmelo’s 1853 Birth Record but not there as it would seem they missed scanning a few pages.


Marriage No 46 Onofrio Cangialosi and Maria Daidone both unmarried
Marineo – 30 July 1875
Groom: Onofrio Cangialosi, unmarried, 27 yo, stazzonaro?*** born and residing Marineo, son of Giuseppe Cangialosi and Anna Parisi, both residing Marineo.
Bride: Maria Daidone, unmarried, 21 yo, contadina, born and residing Marineo, daughter of Pietro Daidone and of Rosa Cannova both residing in Marineo. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=2051639

***stazzonaro – roughneck but I remember Pippo explaining once that it was a dialectal word relating to “someone who was an artisan who worked with clay to make earthenware”

You certainly have some interesting occupations amongst your ancestors.

Angela

[AngelaGrace56]

Jusst found Anna's brother.--
With Parents/ Onofrio Parisi--Giuseppa Zuccarello

Salvatore Parisi -- b. 12 Jun 1828--
No. 113
https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 41/LP6QWM7
119 di 238 • pag. 119-120

Search goes on !!!!
Nicholas n' Joan

Great find!!! Yes, I think we can safely agree with "Onofrio". Here is the translation. Onofrio's occupation has changed and I'm not sure exactly what it is. It may have something to do with "reeds"? I shall keep searching.


Birth No 113: Salvadore Parisi
Registered Marineo 13 June 1828

Appearing was Maestro Onofrio Parisi, 40 yo, Canalaro?, living in Marineo, who presented a baby boy born from his wife Giuseppa Zuccarello, 30 yo, living in Marineo, and from himself the declarant. Salvadore was born on 12 June 1828 at 11 pm in the house of his parents, was given the name Salvadore and was baptised on 13 June 1828 in Marineo Parish.
https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 41/LP6QWM7

Check my previous post for some translations of previous links posted.

Angela

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Found more children of Onofrio Parisi--Giuseppa Zuccarello

Carmelo Parisi--b.Abt. 1817--d. 24 Feb 1832
https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 67/wE4OvD7
No. 45--23 di 176 • pag. 23

Carmelo Parisi--b. 3 Apr 1832--d. 6 Aug 1832
https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 46/LzamdlQ
No. 43--45 di 193 • pag. 45-46
https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 67/LqlaRGK
No. 120--60 di 176 • pag. 60

Antonino Parisi--b. 27 Sep 1833--
https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 47/57dzP3O
No. 141--151 di 225 • pag. 151-152

Nicholas n' Joan

[AngelaGrace56]

Five Star Information ***** (:--}

Found more children of Onofrio Parisi--Giuseppa Zuccarello

Carmelo Parisi--b.Abt. 1817--d. 24 Feb 1832
https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 67/wE4OvD7
No. 45--23 di 176 • pag. 23
Death No 45 – Carmelo Parisi
Registered Marineo 25 February 1832
Carmelo Parisi, 15 yo villico, born in Marineo, died on 24 February 1832 in the house of his parents, Maestro Onofrio Parisi, a contadino, and Giuseppa Zuccarello, both living in Marineo.



Carmelo Parisi--b. 3 Apr 1832--d. 6 Aug 1832
https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 46/LzamdlQ
No. 43--45 di 193 • pag. 45-46
Birth No 43 – Carmelo Parisi
Registered Marineo 3 April 1832
Appearing was Maestro Onofrio Parisi, 40 yo, Bracciale (day labourer), living in Marineo. He presented a baby boy born from himself and Giuseppa Zuccarello, 36 yo, his wife, living in Marineo. The baby was born today, 3 April 1832 at 10 am in the house of his parents and given the name Carmelo. He was baptised on 5 April 1832, in Marineo Parish.


https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 67/LqlaRGK
No. 120--60 di 176 • pag. 60
Death No 120 – Carmelo Parisi
Registered Marineo 6 August 1832
Carmelo Parisi, died today (6 August 1832) at 12.00 in the home of his parents. He was 4 months old, born and living in Marineo, the son of Maestro Onofrio (Parisi), a bracciale, and of Giuseppa Zuccarello, both living in Marineo.


Antonio Parisi--b. 27 Sep 1833--
https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 47/57dzP3O
No. 141--151 di 225 • pag. 151-152
Birth No 141 – Antonio Parisi
Registered Marineo 28 September 1833
Appearing was Maestro Onofrio Parisi, 40 yo, Canalaro?, living in Marineo. He presented a baby boy who he reported was born from Giuseppa Zuccarello, his wife, 36 yo, living in Marineo, and from himself, the declarant. The baby was born on 27 September 1833, at midnight, in the home of his parents. He was given the name Antonio and was baptised the same day in Marineo.


Nicholas n' Joan

Angela

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@Angela

Canalaro -manufacturer of tiles and terracotta vases; jugs of various sizes and shapes

Stazzonaro- craftsman of clay pitchers, vases, statues-basically what you quoted Pippo as saying

[AngelaGrace56]

@Angela

Canalaro -manufacturer of tiles and terracotta vases; jugs of various sizes and shapes

Stazzonaro- craftsman of clay pitchers, vases, statues-basically what you quoted Pippo as saying

Okay!!! Great, thanks so much Erudita. I couldn't find any reference to Canalaro. I shall add it to my list.

Angela

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"Stazzonaro- craftsman of clay pitchers, vases, statues"
Listed as his occupation and his father Carmelo.

Just found death record for Onofrio Parisi / age 70

No. 46---26 di 134 • pag. 26---his wife Giuseppa Zuccarello noted as living.
https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 88/LoAo8VN

Much Appreciated, erudita and Angela
Nicholas n' Joan

[AngelaGrace56]

"Stazzonaro- craftsman of clay pitchers, vases, statues"
Listed as his occupation and his father Carmelo.

Just found death record for Onofrio Parisi / age 70

No. 46---26 di 134 • pag. 26---his wife Giuseppa Zuccarello noted as living.
https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 88/LoAo8VN

Much Appreciated, erudita and Angela
Nicholas n' Joan

Death No 46 – Onofiro Parisi
Marineo – 10 April 1855
Maestro Onofiro Parisi died today, 10 April 1855, 5 pm, in the place he lived, was the husband of Giuseppa Zuccarello. He was 70 yo, born in Marineo, a Stazzonaro, living in Marineo, the son of the deceased Maestro Carmelo (Parisi), also a Stazzonaro, and of the deceased Maria Salerno, who had both lived in Marineo.


Angela

[erudita74]

@Angela
@ Nicholas n' Joan

Here's additional info I found concerning the occupations in your records. Notice that the spellings of the occupations are in Sicilian dialect. Even though my husband and I both have Sicilian ancestry (he on his father's side and me on my mother's), I don't know the dialect. I just chanced upon the info below, in case you're interested in having a more detailed understanding of these occupations:

Stazzunaru: made clay pots and produced all sorts of bricks such as madduni (bricks), canals (Sicilian tiles) and squares (piastrelle) and other objects of common use such as tiani (tiles), rasti (vases), quartari, bummuli and ficuni, of which the raw material was clay, dried in the sun, and then cooked in a furnace.

Sapunaru: he produced soap with a mixture consisting of sludge, olive oil residues (muria), and white ash (potassium) to make the alkaline hydrolysis of fatty acids take place. The mixture was brought to a boil for several hours and, after being cooled, a white paste was obtained which was mixed well and collected in a terracotta container to be dried, where it was left to rest for three days, and finally sold.

Canalaru: in addition to tiles (canals) and bricks, he also made jugs of various shapes and sizes, mugs, snow flasks, and other objects such as piggy banks, and finally vases of all sizes and edges (large cylindrical containers). The raw material was clay, which was of two types: one dark (“crita nira” or black clay), and one light (“crita janca” or white clay). To make the tiles, sand or straw was mixed with the clay, which gave more consistency to the compound. The clay, taken from the river banks, was placed in wooden crates and then was transported, on a donkey's back, to the place of processing. There it was piled up and then hung out to dry.