Looking for Neapolitan GGM’s Date of Birth

[musicalshore]

I am trying to find my GGMs DOB. Neither her US marriage or death certificates indicate her exact DOB, only her age. I’ve found two passport applications for her. I am fairly certain they are both hers as she returned to Italy for a short time. I’m told that with this information, I can request a digital copy of her birth certificate from the State Archives of Naples. I sent an email in Italian with the required form, along with valid ID, but I’ve yet to hear back.

While I would like to have her birth certificate, I only need her DOB for my genealogy search. I believe she was born in 1883, although 1884 and 1882 are possible. I believe she was born in the city of Naples and not the provinces, possibly Vicaria. As far as I know, neither these records nor their indices have been digitized.

How can I find this information? I’ve attached the two passport files. Her name is Carmela Di Caprio, although the 2nd file spells it De Caprio. It is possible these are 2 different people with the same surname from a father with the same name, although she is on ship manifests from 1904 and 1908. There are no passport artifacts online from 1902-1903 and I am not sure why she would apply for a passport in 1901 for a 1904 trip. Maybe the ships were booked well in advance?

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[Tessa78]

Here is the 1904 manifest for Carmela Di Caprio...
Age 21, from Naples, going to aunt Maria Di Caprio on Mulberry street in NYC

Line 17
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=1368704

And an 1908 manifest at age 25 with a son, Santo, age 2, and a daughter Teresa, age 8 months.
Their names are crossed out...so either did not sail or elsewhere on ship manifest.

Lines 19-21
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=1368704

Here is the other manifest for the 1908 Carmela with children. You can see on page 2 that her husband is Pasquale Russo.
Line 25-27
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=1368704

**** if this is your ggm...it gives her place of birth as S. Antimo (Sant'Antimo), Naples.

T.

[musicalshore]

Wow, great catch! I didn’t notice that there were two manifests and that they were crossed out on the first one. After finding my GGM’s birth certificate, I had looked through the Sant’Antimo 1870-1890 index for her as I had no other leads at the time. It’s possible I missed her, but I just checked again from 1880-1888 and she’s not there. I looked in both the C section and the D section. In fact I found no Di Caprios, at all.

I thought she was born in Vicaria because her mother was born there.
https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ud1397939

Her mother came to live with her in 1906, bringing Carmela’s two sisters. Her mother’s occupation is listed as housewife/servant, which makes me think she’d live in a city, and her origin is listed as Napoli.
Ln 28-30 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JFX4-JNR

The first 1908 manifest, where Carmela is crossed out, has her brother listed as her nearest relative, living in Napoli.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... 95R-JSYQ-B

Her mother died in NYC in 1918. Carmela would not be returning to Italy with her two children to visit her mother. Why would she take 2 infant children on a fairly hazardous trip across the Atlantic, unless to meet family? She had family in NYC to watch the children. I suspect she took them to visit her mother in law, and the Sant’Antimo box on the manifest was where they were visiting and my GGM misunderstood the question.

[Tessa78]

Do you have the birth act of Pasquale Russo?
Possible...
#23
Dated 16 January 1883 in Sant'Antimo
Birth on 15th.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... 3011&i=122

T.

[musicalshore]

Yes, that’s him.