This Tommaso guy…

[_sciulli]

All,

I'm looking for some clarity on my 2nd great grandad, Thomas (might be Tommaso or Thomaso) Sciulli. He passed in 1936 in Pittsburgh (6 kids, wife Elizabeth "Bettina" DiNardo Sciulli). I am struggling with his birth day, parents, and potential grandparents. I have the following info on his birth...he was born in Gamberale to a Maria & unknown father, on his death cert his bday is listed as 7/22/1871. Another source has his bday at 7/1/1867, and another has his birth year as 1868 (find a grave).

As for his parents I can 't find a father or maiden/last name for his mother. I'm wondering if the father never came around. As for his mom it's just listed as "Maria" (again on the death cert). All I can find on her potential parents are a Gaetanto (d.1839), who maybe was married to Donata Faloria? Any and help is appreciated. Thanks!

[Tessa78]

There is a related thread for Tommaso Sciulli here.
It includes a link to his birth act...
https://www.italiangenealogy.com/forum/topic/53118

For reference I post it again:
Here is his birth act in 1867 in Gamerale. Date of birth 1 July 1867.
https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 22/0Je6RGd

His mother's maiden name was Sciulli, and she was the daughter of deceased Gaetano Sciulli. The father of the male child born to her is unnamed and listed in the birth act as "Padre ignoto"
The child was declared on 2 July 1867 by Carmela Bucci, 32, who assisted in the birth.

T.

[_sciulli]

Thanks! What exactly does it mean to say he was “declared by Carmela Bucci”? Like she wrote out his birth act or something else?

[Tessa78]

It is customary in Italy for the child to be presented to the town official and declared in order to be officially registered. Usually the father will bring the infant to the town hall to declare. In the instances where the father is not available, the midwife, or someone who assisted with the birth, or a relative (grandparent, etc.) will bring the child. The official having seen the child, will official enter the birth into the registry of the town for that year.
In the cases where the weather, or the distance, makes an "in person" declaration and presentation impossible, the birth will still be declared at the town hall to the official.

T.

[_sciulli]

Is there anything else out there for Gaetano Sciulli? I’ve got his death year as 1839

[Tessa78]

Looking back at the birth of Tommaso Sciulli...mother is Maria Sciulli, who is the daughter of deceased Gaetano. There is no surname for Gaetano.

In the birth of Maria Sciulli (which I found, but did not post) the father is Getano Marinaro, and the mother is Donata Faloria.
I will find it and post...


And so when looking for the death of Gaetano in Gamberale in 1839 - I found this death act....
#15 - Dated 20 August 1839 - death on 19 August
Death of Gaetano Marinaro, husband of Donata Faloria.
He was the son of "Padre ignoto" and deceased Antonia Sciulli.
https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 49/LP8dbnv

It is probable that when Gaetano was born, he was presented as a foundling, so the official gave to the child his name and surname. Gaetano Marinaro.
It is possible that at a later date, the mother was named, hence the use of Sciulli.
This will take further verification.

EDIT TO ADD:

Here is the birth act of Maria Sciulli (she is listed as Maria Sciulli in the index of births for that year).
#29 - birth on 26 June 1837.
She is the daughter of married couple Gaetano Marinaro and Donata Falorio.
https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 59/57lvK4A

Since Gaetano was age 52 at the time of Maria's birth, he would have been born about 1785.


T.

[Tessa78]

And continuing on...

Here is the marriage in Gamberale on 18 August 1816 of Gaetano Marinaro and Donata Falorio.
https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 96/wkQJ9VQ

#5
Groom: Gaetano Marinaro, 36, laborer, son of Antonia Sciulli and unknown father. Antonia is age 54, a spinner and lives with her son in this town. She is present to give her consent
Bride: Donata Falorio, 21, spinner, daughter of deceased Vito Falorio who lived in this town, and of Scolastica d’Angelo, 59, who is present to give her consent.
Publication of Banns of marriage (intent to marry) were posted in the town on 4 and 11 August 1816. It resulted in no opposition to the marriage.

These records are in Latin...
Extract of baptism for Donata (Feb. 1796)
https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 95/w69E2Y1

Extract of baptism for Gaetano (May 1781)
https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 95/w69E2Y1

T.

[_sciulli]

Oh my goodness this is all amazing. Could there be a birth act for Antonia?!

[Tessa78]

Based on Antonia's age (54) at the marriage of her son Gaetano in 1816, she would have been born about 1762. You would need to investigate the availability of church records. These are not found online.

T.

[_sciulli]

Guessing those would be found at the church in Italy. I need to go over. Thanks so much for the help Tessa!

[Tessa78]

Happy to help!

T.