APLLYING FOR ITALIAN CITIZENSHIP IN ITALY. (Questions)

[Xaymara]

Does having these different urls lead to that one site send up a red flag to anyone?

He has another url: http://www.onlus.us/ and one here http://ruphert77097.tripod.com/index.html which has some sort of connection to workadvocate.com. All these websites are registered under Roberto Cescon's name.

On the above listed websites and under the title "comparativo" ( where he compares the process of applying at the consulate versus applying in Italy ) he states that the average time to get citizenship Jure Sanguinis using their services is 3 months after presentation of documents in the comune. Sounds a bit pretentious to me and I have serious doubts about his services. Notice the absence of testimonials on his website and also of a contact number and address in Brazil where his targeted clientele reside.

His ph. numbers came up unlisted on paginebianche.it and the fax number is registered under another name, same street, different cap and different house number.

Here's more contact info:

Roberto Cescon
via Aleardi 89A
30172 Mestre VE
Venezia Italia
(Delega) Tucosi Hyksos Eif Inc
Agenzia Mediazione HAIG & HORSE
Creditizia, finanziaria, mobiliare e non
HY iscrizione BDI UIC 49161
Tel. 041 0990123
Fax. 041 5311518
Cell. 329 8530842

[pastasugo]

he states that the average time to get citizenship Jure Sanguinis using their services is 3 months after presentation of documents in the comune

This tells me the guy's a fraud.

[Paul_NL]

he states that the average time to get citizenship Jure Sanguinis using their services is 3 months after presentation of documents in the comune

This tells me the guy's a fraud.

Why?

Can you apply for a permit that allows you to apply for Jure Sanguinis if you have someone where you can live and is a legal resident?

I have a contact who works for the city of Bergamo, so a fast-track should be possible

Can somebody give me the current state of things?

[pastasugo]

Can you apply for a permit that allows you to apply for Jure Sanguinis if you have someone where you can live and is a legal resident?

No, just living with someone who is a legal resident doesn't allow you to get a permesso di soggiorno. If that were the case, there would be no clandestini in Italy.

[Smiriglio]

I just returned from Italy with the intention of finding out what would be necessary to require my Italian citizenship. What I was told by the Questura in Naples was that first I must apply for a permesso di sogiorno. That is obtainable easily as long as I have a relative up to the fourth degree living in the community of choice. Once the permesso is granted, the mayor must grant citizenship "immediately", according to: http://www.anusca.it/Flash/Circolare_28.htm.
The permesso can take time to get depending on the community and "who" you know since a police officer must visit your residence. Also when I spoke to the questura, they spoke in terms of recognizing my citizenship rather than reacquiring my citizenship.

[pastasugo]

The document you linked, Circolare 28 / 2002, says nothing about anyone being granted citizenship within a given time limit. It merely allows all permessi di soggiorno, regardless of title or duration, to be used to request residenza for persons who are applying for jus sanguinis citizenship.

[Smiriglio]

It does say that the process must be made as quickly as possibly "Pertanto, dopo un approfondito esame della problematica si ritiene di dover impartire la seguente disposizione, ai fine di garantire la parità di trattamento dei soggetti interessati e di evitare agli stessi ulteriori disagi, velocizzando le procedure previste.", and that the circular must be presented to all of the Mayors. The way it was explained to me is that, in the past each community tended to follow their own procedures and that some communities were slower than others. The Ministry of the Interior wants all communities to follow the same procedure and to avoid delays.

[pastasugo]

The quoted text does not translate to "as quickly as possible".

Again, the purpose of Circolare 28 / 2002 was to allow all permessi di soggiorno, regardless of title or duration, to be used to request residenza for persons who are applying for jus sanguinis citizenship. The previous guidance, Circolare 28 / 1991, required dimora abituale, and consequently, a long-term permesso di soggiorno.

[Immigrationitaly]

Noi Siamo: APA INTERNATIONAL ONLUS (Min. Fin. Reg.)
,Aname
E
Hy My Agency (Cam Com Ve)

Un piccolo gruppo che aiuta gli oriundi,



U A NG means : Permesso affari dato ad Associazione Umanitaria o ad Agenzia collegata ad Umanitaria.
Era un permesso breve.
I permessi brevi solno stati aboliti (Il 5/06/2007), quindi noi ora facciamo la cittadinanza o con i Permessi Sport o Con La Dichiarazione Di Presenza(Circ 23/06)
La mia email e telefono sono:
Tel:+ 39 329 85 30 842
Fax:+ 39 041 5311 518

SITE: www.customerlaw.com
www.permesso.us
EMAIL: immigrationitaly@aol.com

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Cidadania Italiana.Roberto Cescon.Esta semana a lei mudou .Nós estamos no google. faz preguntas.
Devido a recentes mudancas burocraticas, estamospedindo uma permissao
por motivo de Mot Um Sport NG(O Declaration of Presence), pois esta permite aos clientes
solicitar a residencia, e consequentemente, a cidadania.
Você tem que vir a Italia fazer aqui a residência; depois que você fêz a residência, você pode iniciar o processo de cidadania italiana. depois de 30 dias que você vem a Italia.

Pode você emitir-me a árvore de família do yor; seu endereço em Brasil, e as datas de nascimento, de união e de morte de toda sua família. Isto estará partindo de esse quem foi a Brasil. Eu dar-lhe-ei as primeiras respostas. Depois que nós procurararemos os certificados e nós começaremos o processo

Você tem que vir a Italia fazer aqui a residência; depois que você fêz a residência, você pode iniciar o processo de cidadania italiana. depois de 30 dias que você vem a Italia. Depois disso você pode viajar e depois, você voltará quando seu passport estiver pronto.

Meu email pessoal é roberto@cescon.net, escreve-me ou a minha agência para toda a dúvida. )

1) Pode você emitir detalhes de sua árvore de família por favor?
2)Você emitirá todos seus nomes da história da família, datas de nascimento, datas da união, datas da morte. Pode você fazer a varredura de seus originais e email mim?

3)Todos os certificados são legalizados?


4)Quando você planeia vir para Italia fazer a cidadania?

Eu tenho que verificar seus originais e dizer-lhe se tudo for muito bem!


Immigration Services - Roberto Cescon
MY Agency (http://www.infoimprese.it/impr/index.jsp)


Via Aleardi 89A - Mestre 30174 VE
Tel:+ 39 329 85 30 842
Fax:+ 39 041 5311 518

SITE: www.customerlaw.com
www.permesso.us
EMAIL: immigrationitaly@aol.com

Esta semana a lei mudou e a licença do Tourism foi suprimida. Para
fazer assim o cidadania italiana com a lei K28 Nós necessitamos uma
outra licença.

Atenciosamente,

Roberto
39 329 85 30 842

www.eif.net

[Immigrationitaly]

Noi Siamo: APA INTERNATIONAL ONLUS (Min. Fin. Reg.)
,Aname
E
Hy My Agency (Cam Com Ve)

Un piccolo gruppo che aiuta gli oriundi,



U A NG means : Permesso affari dato ad Associazione Umanitaria o ad Agenzia collegata ad Umanitaria.
Era un permesso breve.
I permessi brevi solno stati aboliti (Il 5/06/2007), quindi noi ora facciamo la cittadinanza o con i Permessi Sport o Con La Dichiarazione Di Presenza(Circ 23/06)
La mia email e telefono sono:
Tel:+ 39 329 85 30 842
Fax:+ 39 041 5311 518

SITE: www.customerlaw.com
www.permesso.us
EMAIL: immigrationitaly@aol.com

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Cidadania Italiana.Roberto Cescon.Esta semana a lei mudou .Nós estamos no google. faz preguntas.
Devido a recentes mudancas burocraticas, estamospedindo uma permissao
por motivo de Mot Um Sport NG(O Declaration of Presence), pois esta permite aos clientes
solicitar a residencia, e consequentemente, a cidadania.
Você tem que vir a Italia fazer aqui a residência; depois que você fêz a residência, você pode iniciar o processo de cidadania italiana. depois de 30 dias que você vem a Italia.

Pode você emitir-me a árvore de família do yor; seu endereço em Brasil, e as datas de nascimento, de união e de morte de toda sua família. Isto estará partindo de esse quem foi a Brasil. Eu dar-lhe-ei as primeiras respostas. Depois que nós procurararemos os certificados e nós começaremos o processo

What is the name of the company?

How much are they charging for this service?

Do they require you to pay up front, or only after receiving citizenship?

The words "Mo Um Affari NG" have no meaning (other than affari which means business).

I would be very cautious of anyone promising 4 month Italian citizenship, let alone 23 days.

I was also curious about the "Mo Um Affari NG" and since John hasn't responded, I went and did a search on the web and only found a reference to the above on a Yahoo group geared to Brazilians in search of citizenship by descent. The url is http://br.groups.yahoo.com/group/cidada ... 2/messages and it's mentioned in the last three messages dated April 28 and of course they are in Portuguese.

The company that's offering the "Mo Um Affari NG" is based in Venice. The website is http://www.signbill.com/ ( also http://www.maiara.us/ and http://www.customerlaw.com/ ) .

Contact name is Roberto Cescon at immigrationitaly@aol.com or rcescon@yahoo.com. There's no explanation on their website of what the phrase in question stands for.

Maria

[pastasugo]

Permesso affari dato ad Associazione Umanitaria o ad Agenzia collegata ad Umanitaria.
... noi ora facciamo la cittadinanza o con i Permessi Sport

Why apply for a permesso di soggiorno under false pretenses? With Circolare 32 13 Giugno 2007 jus sanguinis applicants can apply for residenza with a simple of Declaration of Presence. No need to pay a fortune to an agency to get this for you.

[Smiriglio]

I agree with your concern about false pretenses. However, I do not speak Spanish and when I used automatic translation [Google] what I got back was unintelligible. Therefore, I do not understand what this website is all about.

[Xaymara]

I agree with your concern about false pretenses. However, I do not speak Spanish and when I used automatic translation [Google] what I got back was unintelligible. Therefore, I do not understand what this website is all about.

Except for the first few lines in Italian, the message is written in Portuguese. It seems his target clientele is mostly Brazilians who have a long wait to citizenship.

[Smiriglio]

thanks

[gabino]

Regardless of the possibility of applying in Italy directly, there are also pitfalls to applying in Italy, such as the requirement for having a large amount of money to sustain yourself, perhaps a work visa, medical insurance, and probably many other things. I would think that the average person could not afford this. The only website I saw on Italian citizenship, which lists the disadvantages of applying in Italy, is http://www.icdts.com.
This site does not say "DO NOT" apply in Italy, but rather suggests knowing the obstacles involved in the process, and so raises some valid points, which I agree, should be addressed before considering such a move. For this, I am thankful the owner of the site, at least tells people what to expect in a realistic sort of way. We all are having a tough time with this process as it is.
However, if applying in Italy is very easy, then I would appreciate knowing HOW it can be done, with NO Obstacles, and very little money needed, as i am one of those persons with very little of it