need help w/ information

[vj]

You'll probably need her death certificate or an obituary...
http://www.health.state.ny.us/vital_rec ... ealogy.htm

More clues?

Possibly related manifest 1 month before the 1900 census

April 1900 manifest

29 Apr 1900
SS Batavia
Boulogne S/M to NY
Lines 7-9

Vincenzo Mirrione (??) 31, abt 1869
- last residence Pontelatone (Caserta, Campania Region)
- destination Saratoga, NY
- in Saratoga 3 yrs, 1895-8
- joining brother Gennaro Mincione at 63 Beigman(?) St, Saratoga NY
Maria 26, abt 1874
Pietro 4 mos, abt 1899

Note: Pontelatone is 2.6 km from Formicola
Valarie

[melissa_annemarie]

thank you...we have no death cert.nor obituary

[suanj]

More clues?

Possibly related manifest 1 month before the 1900 census

April 1900 manifest

29 Apr 1900
SS Batavia
Boulogne S/M to NY
Lines 7-9

Vincenzo Mirrione (??) 31, abt 1869
- last residence Pontelatone (Caserta, Campania Region)
- destination Saratoga, NY
- in Saratoga 3 yrs, 1895-8
- joining brother Gennaro Mincione at 63 Beigman(?) St, Saratoga NY
Maria 26, abt 1874
Pietro 4 mos, abt 1899

Note: Pontelatone is 2.6 km from Formicola

this is right manifest; Vincenzo already in USA from 1896/8 so matching with Biff manifest find of 1896... now I understand: Vincenzo Mingione ( on 1900 ship's manifest really is wrote Mincione, transcribed Mirrione) from Gimigliano made the first trip with Francesco Catone; making friendship.....

surely the marriage was arranged and Vincenzo back in 1898, wedding, birth of son, and newly with family in USA; Francesco Catone was born in Formicola; so I believe also of Maria Catone; Vincenzo Mingione was of Gimigliano ( Calabria region); the little family resident in Pontelatone... both the ship's manifest are correct.... good find!
hugs,
suanj

[Biff83]

Great find, Valarie!

Biff

[vj]

suanj,
Thank you so much for tying these records together
It started with your 1900 census & Biff's manifest.
It makes so much sense.
Thank you!
Valarie

[wldspirit]

Fantastic work everyone.....a great example of how team work should be,
allowing feedback from the poster and with more than one perspective added to the search.....outstanding!!
wldspirit

[melissa_annemarie]

Thank you so much vj,wildspirit,Biff83,suanj and everyone.you have helped my family and myself in a very huge way...

huggs

[wldspirit]

Thank you.....but in all fairness to the efforts of members, I only asked the neccesary questions to enable our members to have leads to follow...
It's great that your search turned out so well!!
wldspirit

[melissa_annemarie]

Hello to everyone involved in helping my family. I am Lin Mitchell, married to James J. Mitchell. You have been helping my daughter and she suggested I come into the disscussion also.

My husband James has hardly any knowledy of his grandparents. We have been married for 38 years and he has been trying (when he has the time to find "answers"... He was very young and does remember going to someone called (nonnie) (maybe his grandmother?). Remembers having soup at her home that was very, very hot.

His father could speak Itallian but never taught him, his father never spoke of his family. There is a belief somthing in the family happened and none of Mary and James' children spoke of them. My father-in-law was born in Plattsburgh, NY in 1901 to James Mitcheller (thats how it was spelled on birth certificate) and mother was Mary Catone, Both from Italy.
We know James was employed by the railroad.

My husband would like to find any information about his heritage. He would like to know where his grandparents are buried, why the name is "Mitchell" change his name to what it should be.

[wldspirit]

Nonnie is Italian for grandmother, although technically speaking, it is
Nonna = Grandmother
Nonno = Grandfather
and I believe "Nonnies" refers to the plural......someone correct me if am wrong here on the plural...

I also called my grandmother Nonnie.....never Nonna.

wldspirit

[PeterTimber]

I suspect the name Mitcheller was the work of some lazy transcriber who just wrote what the name sounded like instead of asking for the proper spelling or asking him to sign his name. I suspect the name may have been MICELLI or MICELLA. Certainly there is a Catone in 149 cities,towns and villages in Italy. Go to www.gens.labo.net/en/cognomi and put in the Catone name in the upper left hand corner and click.

Now hereis where you have to work hard.....In Italy most records are only found in the city, the town or even a small village of origin with duplicates inthe provincial capital BUT BUT you have to know the town of origin to find the records.

If you know when Mary Catone arrived in the USA and her whiole story then get back and let us know what you know about her and her husband. You know more thanyou think and yourfamily oral history has all the information which we need down to old opostcards, postal stamps on photographs indicating the town or the photographer, the saint on the feast day in Italy to whom they prayed to..names of boats, when did they become naturalzied US citizens and where....

Oncwe we have that information your on your way but DIG WE MUST!! =Peter=

[elba]

Nonnie is Italian for grandmother, although technically speaking, it is
Nonna = Grandmother
Nonno = Grandfather
and I believe "Nonnies" refers to the plural......someone correct me if am wrong here on the plural...

I also called my grandmother Nonnie.....never Nonna.

wldspirit

Nearly right wldspirit...

In fact the word 'Nonnie' would be an anglicised nickname for a grandparent.

The word 'nonni' means grandparents (plural) in Italian.

[vj]

melissa_annemarie wrote:
Hello to everyone involved in helping my family. I am Lin Mitchell, married to James J. Mitchell. You have been helping my daughter and she suggested I come into the disscussion also.

My husband James has hardly any knowledy of his grandparents. We have been married for 38 years and he has been trying (when he has the time to find "answers"... He was very young and does remember going to someone called (nonnie) (maybe his grandmother?). Remembers having soup at her home that was very, very hot.

His father could speak Itallian but never taught him, his father never spoke of his family. There is a belief somthing in the family happened and none of Mary and James' children spoke of them. My father-in-law was born in Plattsburgh, NY in 1901 to James Mitcheller (thats how it was spelled on birth certificate) and mother was Mary Catone, Both from Italy.
We know James was employed by the railroad.

My husband would like to find any information about his heritage. He would like to know where his grandparents are buried, why the name is "Mitchell" change his name to what it should be.

Hello Lin!

Finding James and Mary on census records doesn't seem to be a problem.
Finding your father-in-law William Paul Mitchell in the same household is a problem
- if we have the correct census records.

Do you know the names of all of your father-in-laws siblings?

It may have been possible that several of James and Mary's children
were placed in a children's home if they had trouble carring for them.
It was not uncommon and happened in many families.

Thank you!
valarie


possible 1920 census

Home in 1920:
2819 6th Ave, rents
Troy Ward 10, Rensselaer, New York

Head James Mitchell 50, abt 1870 IT
- immig 1888, Na 1900
- section hand, RR
Wife Mary Mitchell 40, abt 1880 IT
- immig 1899, Na 1900
Son Peter Mitchell 20, abt 1900 NY
- box worker, box factory
Son Paul Mitchell 14, abt 1906 NY
Son Henry Mitchell 12, abt 1908 NY

- note 6 year gap between births of Peter and Paul

[vj]

James Mitchell, widower living with another Mitchell family?
May be his brother…

possible 1930 census

Home in 1930:
58 Kent Street
Ballston Spa Village, Milton Town, Saratoga, New York

Head Jim Mitchell 58, abt 1872 IT
- owns house $1000
- 1st marriage age 38, abt 1910
- immig 1898, Na
- flagman, RR
Wife Rose Mitchell 40, abt 1890 IT
- 1st marriage age 18, abt 1908
- immig 1910 Na
Daughter Angeline Mitchell 19, abt 1911 IT
- married
- 1st marriage age 17, abt 1928
- fingering, knit glove
Daughter Madeline Mitchell 16, abt 1914 NY
- helper, knit glove
Son Paul Mitchell 13, abt 1917 NY

Lodger Frank Balezano 51, 1879 IT
- immig 1904, Al
- laborer, RR

Lodger James Mitchell 60, abt 1870 IT
- immig 1890 Na
- flagman, RR

[vj]

Another possibility?
Same address on both cards.

Right day, wrong year, wouldn’t be the first time a young man lied about his age…

1918 WWI Draft Registration Card

William Paul Mitchell 19
11 Van Woert Ave
Albany, Albany, NY
Born 20 Feb 1899 in US
State Guard, NY State Armory, Troy
Father James Mitchell
11 Van Woert Ave, Albany
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William's older brother from the 1900-1920 census?

1918 WWI Draft Registration Card

Peter Joseph Mitchell 18
11 Van Woert Ave
Albany, Albany, NY
Born 6 Oct 1899
Naturalized citizen thru father’s naturalization
Bus boy, Belmont Lunch Room
Mother Mary Mitchell
11 Van Woert Ave, Albany