Italian Surnames & Family Heritage

[EireItaliaDonna]

This information below is definitely my great grandparents and their family.

Charles immigration is listed as 1891, naturalized 1911.
The parents birthplace for Ida is clearly Italy, as is listed on 1910
census....someone goofed at ancestry with the Indian territory birthplace!!!

1920 United States Federal Census

Name: Ida R Scipione
Home in 1920: Newton Ward 2, Middlesex, Massachusetts
Age: 37 years
Estimated birth year: abt 1883
Birthplace: Massachusetts
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Spouse's name: Charles
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Female
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Scipione 44
Ida R Scipione 37
Charles Scipione 17
Arthur S Scipione 16
John A Scipione 13
Frances Scipione 11
Reta Scipione 5

1930 United States Federal Census

Name: Ida R Scipione
Home in 1930: Newton, Middlesex, Massachusetts
Age: 47
Estimated birth year: abt 1883
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Spouse's name: Charles
Age at first marriage: Charles 26, Ida 19.
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Scipione 54
Ida R Scipione 47
Charles Scipione 28
Arthur S Scipione 26
John A Scipione 23
Frances R Scipione 21
Rita E Scipione 15

Charles again list immigration of 1891, is naturalized and Ida parents birthplace of Italy.

[wldspirit]

Lots more to be discovered......
It is always helpful to have confirmation from the poster regarding our findings!!
We need to locate Charles on a manifest, and with his parents on the 1900
census.....
Do you know either of Charles parents names?? Siblings??
wldspirit

[nuccia]

I would look into the second Angelo simply because he arrived after 1904 (if you back track from his arrival of May 1906 1 yr and 10 months) you should get to abt Aug 1904.

Besides, I don't think the first Angelo was going to Mass. What was Angelo's wife's first name? (sorry if I missed it above).

[vj]

"Scipione/Lagorio - I understand the part of the family came from Gaeta
and some came from Genoa but I am unsure where and when it occurred."

Hi all!
This may help a bit. vj

From NEHGS (subscription site)
Massachusetts Vital Records, 1841-1910

Scipione Charles John V. Newton 1902 521 551 Birth

Scipione Arthur Stephen Newton 1903 533 579 Birth

Scipione John Anthony Newton 1906 559 594 Birth
Born 5 May 1906 in Newton, MA
Father Charles, grocer b in Caserta, Italy
Mother Ida Lagorio, b in Boston, MA

Scipione Frances Rosa Newton 1908 575 642 Birth
Born 6 July 1908 in Newton, MA
Father Charles A, interpreter, b in Formia, Italy
Mother Ida R Lagorio, b in Boston, MA

Note: from an old Encyclopedia Britannica
"Formia (anc. Formiae, called Mola di Gaeta until recent times),
a town of Campania, Italy, in the province of Caserta*
* No longer. Formia is now part of the neighboring province of Latina,
which is not in Campania, but in Lazio."

[EireItaliaDonna]

There definitely was some Indian Territory here in Massachusetts but it is unlikely at the time that he came to the US that it was still Indian Territory... or that it would have been recorded outside of Massachusetts because I don't think they travelled any further than perhaps New York to visit friends and family.

I spent this past weekend on the Latter Day Saints website and they have someone named "Carlo Scipione" who I suspect is my great grandfather since Charles and Carlo are very close and their stating that he was married to Ida Lagorio... hopefully more than one Scipione has not married a Ida Lagorio so we're not going down the wrong branch/path... but their site said his parents would have been Vincenzo Scipione and Maria D. Errico... question is: Which Vincenzo Scipione since it is another popular name in the Scipione family.

[EireItaliaDonna]

I would look into the second Angelo simply because he arrived after 1904 (if you back track from his arrival of May 1906 1 yr and 10 months) you should get to abt Aug 1904.

Besides, I don't think the first Angelo was going to Mass. What was Angelo's wife's first name? (sorry if I missed it above).

Angelo Traniello's wife was Frances Rose Scipione Traniello.

[EireItaliaDonna]

I would gather that my grandfather, Angelo Traniello would have been one year and 10 months at the time possibly when he came here as one of the sources may have stated. It is unlikely that it would be that Maria aka Marie would have been younger than Angelo as I understand Angelo to be one of the youngest, if not, the youngest in the family.

I think this may be a more likely match though..

Boston Passenger Lists, 1820-1943
about Angelo Traniello
Name: Angelo Traniello
Arrival Date: 31 May 1906
Age: 10 Years
Age Months: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1896
Gender: Male
Ethnic Background: Italian (South) (Italian)
Port of Departure: Naples, Italy
Ship Name: Romanic
Port of Arrival: Boston, Massachusetts
Friend's Name: Antonio Traniello
Last Residence: Italy
Microfilm Roll Number: 94

Arriving with his mother, brother and sister as well..Mother is Maria Rosa Semione 40 years old, (going to see husband Antonio), brother Pasquale, 10 years old, and sister Maria Carmine, 6. The manifest text says hes 10 years old and 1o months but the actual manifest says hes 1 year and 10 months old.

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Source Information:
Ancestry.com. Boston Passenger Lists, 1820-1943 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2006. Original data:

# Boston, Massachusetts. Passenger Lists of Vessels Arriving at Boston, Massachusetts, 1891-1943. Micropublication T843. RG085. Rolls # 1-454. National Archives, Washington, D.C.

# Boston, Massachusetts. Passenger Lists of Vessels Arriving at Boston, Massachusetts, 1820-1891. Micropublication M277. RG036. Rolls #1-115. National Archives, Washington, D.C.

[EireItaliaDonna]

In one of my grandparent's families there was a "Gus" but I was never sure where the name Gus was derived (i.e. Guiseppe, Augusto, Augustine, Augustino) by the Gustaph or Pargusello below could be potentially "Gus"... I believe there was also a "Guy" who might have been the same as "Gus" but nicknamed.

In my grandfather's family, the siblings are thought to be (in sequential order): Maria/Maria, Gus/Guy, Paul, Anthony and Angelo.

In my grandmother's family, the siblings are thought to be: Charlie, Arthur, Frances, Rita and John (died young as I recall).

Family in the 1910 Census:

1910 United States Federal Census
about Mary Franiello
Name: Mary Franiello
[Mary Traniello]
Age in 1910: 44
Estimated birth year: abt 1866
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Spouse's name: Antonio
Home in 1910: Boston Ward 22, Suffolk, Massachusetts
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Female
Year of Immigration: 1906
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Antonio Franiello 41
Mary Franiello 44
Gustaph Franiello 15
Pargusello Franiello 15
Carmine Franiello 8
Angela Franiello 7
Antonia Franiello 3

Lots of spelling errors as you can see..will link the image if you can confirm the family is the one you are looking for.

Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Boston Ward 22, Suffolk, Massachusetts; Roll: T624_623; Page: 27B; Enumeration District: 1599; Image: 956.

Source Information:
Ancestry.com. 1910 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2006. For details on the contents of the film numbers, visit the following NARA web page: NARA Original data: United States of America, Bureau of the Census. Thirteenth Census of the United States, 1910. Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 1910. T624, 1,178 rolls.

[EireItaliaDonna]

I was able to gleen from my father that the connection with the Deferrari family is that Ida Scipione's mother's sister married a Deferrari and from that family there was a another portion of the family that came to the US around the same time.

[vj]

Possible Scipione records:

"Carlo Scipione" who I suspect is my great grandfather
since Charles and Carlo are very close"

Possible marriage information:
Massachusetts Vital Records, 1841-1910
Scipione Carlo Boston 1901 515 30 Marriage
Lagorio Ida Boston 1901 515 30 Marriage

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"their site said his parents would have been
Vincenzo Scipione and Maria D. Errico"

Possible related death info:
Note parents names...
Massachusetts Vital Records, 1841-1910
Scipione Vincenzo Boston 1899 495 116 Death
8 Mar 1899
Married
62 yrs old (abt 1836)
cerebral apoplexy
Residence: Boston
Burial: Malden
Occupation: Grocer
b in Italy
Father: Pietro P Scipione, b in Italy
Mother: Maria A D'Errico, b in Italy

[EireItaliaDonna]

Possible Scipione records

"Carlo Scipione" who I suspect is my great grandfather
since Charles and Carlo are very close"

Possible marriage information
Massachusetts Vital Records, 1841-1910
Scipione Carlo Boston 1901 515 30 Marriage
Lagorio Ida Boston 1901 515 30 Marriage

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"their site said his parents would have been
Vincenzo Scipione and Maria D. Errico"

Possible related death info
Note parents names...
Massachusetts Vital Records, 1841-1910
Scipione Vincenzo Boston 1899 495 116 Death
8 Mar 1899
Married
62 yrs old (abt 1836)
cerebral apoplexy
Residence Boston
Burial Malden
Occupation Grocer
b in Italy
Father Pietro P Scipione, b in Italy
Mother Maria A D'Errico, b in Italy

Wow, that clears up the question about Vincenzo... so Vincenzo could have been Charles/Carlo's brother or a cousin. So we're still looking for his parents and siblings names...

[EireItaliaDonna]

On FamilySearch.org, there is a listing for a Ciro Scipione who married a Maria C. Simone Fusco on 24 JUN 1901 in Boston, Suffolk, Massachusetts with the same parents listed as Vincenzo Scipione and Maria A. D'Errico.

Possible Scipione records:

"Carlo Scipione" who I suspect is my great grandfather
since Charles and Carlo are very close"

Possible marriage information:
Massachusetts Vital Records, 1841-1910
Scipione Carlo Boston 1901 515 30 Marriage
Lagorio Ida Boston 1901 515 30 Marriage

--------------------
"their site said his parents would have been
Vincenzo Scipione and Maria D. Errico"

Possible related death info:
Note parents names...
Massachusetts Vital Records, 1841-1910
Scipione Vincenzo Boston 1899 495 116 Death
8 Mar 1899
Married
62 yrs old (abt 1836)
cerebral apoplexy
Residence: Boston
Burial: Malden
Occupation: Grocer
b in Italy
Father: Pietro P Scipione, b in Italy
Mother: Maria A D'Errico, b in Italy

[vj]

Scipione Family

possible 1891 manifest Line 15
Name: Carlo Scifrione (Scipione)
3 Jun 1891, SS Burgundia, Naples to NY
Age: 16 (abt 1875)
Microfilm Serial: M237
Microfilm Roll: M237_569
List Number: 774

[vj]

Lagorio Family
Do any of these names connect with your family?
Thanks! vj

possible 1900 census

Name: Ida Lagario
Home in 1900:
30 Ferry? Street, rents
Boston Ward 6, Suffolk, Massachusetts
Age: 20 Estimated birth year: abt 1880
Birthplace: Massachusetts
Relationship to head-of-house: Daughter
Father's name: John
Mother's name: Rosa

Household Members:
head John Lagario (Lagorio) 55 (Jan 1845)
- married 30 ys (abt 1870)
- immig 1857, in US 43 yrs, Na
- grocer
wife Rosa 45 (1855)
- 13 children born/ 8 children living
- immig 1866, in US 34 yrs
(children all b in MA)
daughter Francis 24 (Apr 1876)
daughter Ida 20 (May 1880)
daughter Dora J 17 (1883)
son Stephen 16 (May 1884)
son Alphouss (Alphonso) 13 (1887)
daughter Louisa 11 (1889)
daughter Carrie 8 (May 1892)

[EireItaliaDonna]

Lagorio Family
Do any of these names connect with your family?
Thanks! vj

possible 1900 census

Name Ida Lagario
Home in 1900
30 Ferry? Street, rents
Boston Ward 6, Suffolk, Massachusetts
Age 20 Estimated birth year abt 1880
Birthplace Massachusetts
Relationship to head-of-house Daughter
Father's name John
Mother's name Rosa

Household Members
head John Lagario (Lagorio) 55 (Jan 1845)
- married 30 ys (abt 1870)
- immig 1857, in US 43 yrs, Na
- grocer
wife Rosa 45 (1855)
- 13 children born/ 8 children living
- immig 1866, in US 34 yrs
(children all b in MA)
daughter Francis 24 (Apr 1876)
daughter Ida 20 (May 1880)
daughter Dora J 17 (1883)
son Stephen 16 (May 1884)
son Alphouss (Alphonso) 13 (1887)
daughter Louisa 11 (1889)
daughter Carrie 8 (May 1892)

My father was telling me that Ida had a sister named Frances who they called Fanny and a brother Stephen that went into the priesthood.

He also mentioned an Alice Scipione and a brother that may have died in China. The latter, I'm not definite on the details.