Lise: Surname of g g grandfather and missing g grandfather.

[mfjp]

Hi Marcia,

The rectofitter was the occupation of an unknown - unrelated person.. his name was on one top of the census records we made light of last night.

Now that manifest.... that Valarie was last looking at...

1908 Antonia (Antonio) Lise,

The elderly person that Antonio travels with is also a Mosaic fitter named Antonio Ponte...

Antonio Ponte leaves in Italy a nephew named Ferdinando Ponte. He would be going to 13 Minetta St. ? to join his nephew. I know I've seen this street... looks like he may have been in the USA from 1890 to 1908

Antonio Lise from same manifest was in the USA from 1892 to 1908

Don't know if these 2 are related.. but both are Mosaic fitters... live within minutes of each other in the Manhattan district map Marcia posted..

Maria

[Marcialise]

Hi Marcia,

The rectofitter was the occupation of an unknown - unrelated person.. his name was on one top of the census records we made light of last night.

Ah! I see it now. Thanks for the clarification... I'm always a few steps behind..

1908 Antonia (Antonio) Lise,

The elderly person that Antonio travels with is also a Mosaic fitter named Antonio Ponte...

Don't know if these 2 are related.. but both are Mosaic fitters... live within minutes of each other in the Manhattan district map Marcia posted..

Looks like Antonio Ponste's job is "musical lestru ment" to me? But it seems that they were travelling together. It's interesting to think about the story out of these documents isn't it.

[mfjp]

You know.. I think you are right... now that you point it out... it does look like it says musical instrument!

Maria

[mfjp]

Hi Marcia

Relinking the 1930 Census record here...

1930 United States Federal Census Record
about Josephine Lise (TOIA) born in New York

Home in 1930 - 136 Beechwood Ave., New Rochelle, Westchester, New York

Husband ???? Lise born in Italy, not shown on census

Married about 1912-1913

Name: Josephine Lise
Home in 1930: New Rochelle, Westchester, New York
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1895
Parent's Name: A??( Attilio) Toia age 68 Toia immigrated 1884, married 1890 +-, widow
Age at First Marriage: 18
Parents' Birthplace: Italy
Household Members:
Name Age
Josephine Lise 35
William Lise 16 (born 1914+-)
Marion Lise 15
Reta Lise 13
Louis Lise 9
Link to Josephine Lise (Toia) 1930 Census

Census image will be replaced.... (too small)

Maria

[Marcialise]

Thanks for the re-link Maria.

Gosh the mystery of Josephine's husband....


:: Birth certificate of Louis Lise

I've been in touch with relatives of Louis Lise (B 1920), one of the 4 children of Josephine Toia and "Joseph" Lise and I'm hoping to get an answer regarding place of birth of Louis Lise. Then I'll be requesting his birth certificate from the relevant county which will definitely confirm the name of Josephine's husband.


:: Birth certificate of William Lise

I've requested William A. Lise's birth certificate from the New York council since I figured he was born in New York, NY because Joseph Lise (probably his father) was living in Downing Street, New York, NY in 1917. But he might have been registered in New Rochelle...

[mfjp]

This one again, for a minute?

Occupation...

Mosaic Worker... (tile setter... wife mentioned is Emma)

http://ellisisland.org/search/shipManif ... 0271%2ETIF

First Name: Antonia (should be Antonio...)
Last Name: Lise
Ethnicity: Italy, No. Italy
Last Place of Residence: New York, New York
Date of Arrival: Jul 06, 1908
Age at Arrival: 43y Gender: M Marital Status: M
Ship of Travel: New York
Port of Departure: Cherbourg, France
Manifest Line Number: 0008

Maria

1908 Antonia (Antonio) Lise, 43 (1865), mosaic worker
note: Joseph Lise's (b. 1891, tile worker) father Antonio from 1910 census?
- in US 1893-1908
note: where's 1900 census?
- wife Emma Lise 32 (St?) John Street (Place?)
note: possibly New Rochelle?
- born in Belluno
page 1
page 2

Found an Emma Lise in a 1917 directory..., husband mentioned is wid. Antonio Lise.... address 170 W Houston
Name: Emma Lise
Title: NewYorkCity-NY-1917
Year: 1917
City: New York City
Book Section: L
Page: 1091
Source: New York City Directory. New York City NY: Marine Z, 1917.

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City Directories Record
Name: antonio lise
Title: NewYork-NY-1925c
Year: 1925
City: New York
Book Section: L
Page: 1183
Source: Polk's Trow's New York Directory 1924-25. n.p. n.p.: n.p., n.d..
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There is also another directory for a Joe Lise r151 E33d (that's all it says...)
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So, Emma was a widow in 1917... possibly 1916 as there is another entry for her in 1916... but under surnames with "T"?? ... am currently looking for her name....

New York, City Directories Record
Name: Emma Lise
Title: General Directory of New York City embracing the boroughs of Manhattan and the Bronx 1916
Year: 1916
City: New York City
Book Section: T
Page: 1665
Source: R. L. Polk & Co.'s Trow General Directoyr of New York City Embracing the Boroughs of Manhattan and the Bronx 1916. New York NY: R. L. Polk & Co., 1916.
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Emma's manifest (going to husband Antonio, travels with 11 year old Giuseppe.. ) we may have seen this manifest before...

http://ellisisland.org/search/shipManif ... 2782120193

First Name: Emma
Last Name: Lise
Ethnicity:
Last Place of Residence:
Date of Arrival: Sep 18, 1902
Age at Arrival: 32y Gender: F Marital Status: M
Ship of Travel: Rio Negro
Port of Departure: Havre
Manifest Line Number: 0013

maria

[Marcialise]

It could be that we're confusing two Antonio's. There's one Antonio who was born in 1887:

ANTONIO LISE
Birth: 20 May 1887
Death: Apr 1978
Residence: 11791 (Syosset, Nassau, NY)
SSN: 094-01-7558

[mfjp]

Thanks for the re-link Maria.

Gosh the mystery of Josephine's husband....


:: Birth certificate of Louis Lise

I've been in touch with relatives of Louis Lise (B 1920), one of the 4 children of Josephine Toia and "Joseph" Lise and I'm hoping to get an answer regarding place of birth of Louis Lise. Then I'll be requesting his birth certificate from the relevant county which will definitely confirm the name of Josephine's husband.


:: Birth certificate of William Lise

I've requested William A. Lise's birth certificate from the New York council since I figured he was born in New York, NY because Joseph Lise (probably his father) was living in Downing Street, New York, NY in 1917. But he might have been registered in New Rochelle...

Sorry if this was posted earlier.. too lazy to check...(hands are numb this morning..)

Would this be yours?

U.S. World War II Army Enlistment Records, 1938-1946 Record
about Louis J Lise
Name: Louis J Lise
Birth Year: 1920
Race: White, citizen
Nativity State or Country: New York
State: New York
County or City: Westchester

Enlistment Date: 28 Nov 1940
Enlistment State: New York
Enlistment City: New York City
Branch: Branch Immaterial - Warrant Officers, USA
Branch Code: Branch Immaterial - Warrant Officers, USA
Grade: Private
Grade Code: Private
Component: Selectees (Enlisted Men)
Source: Civil Life

Education: 2 years of high school
Marital Status: Single, without dependents
Height: 67
Weight: 145

further... yes this info was posted on page 8 courtesy of Valarie...

[mfjp]

It could be that we're confusing two Antonio's. There's one Antonio who was born in 1887:

ANTONIO LISE
Birth: 20 May 1887
Death: Apr 1978
Residence: 11791 (Syosset, Nassau, NY)
SSN: 094-01-7558

Did we mention this one? Don't recall one from Syosset...

Is there an entry for him in this post somewhere.. just curious..

(I'm pooped today...)

The Antonio I've been posting about was an older one...

Maria

[Marcialise]

It could be that we're confusing two Antonio's. There's one Antonio who was born in 1887:

ANTONIO LISE
Birth: 20 May 1887
Death: Apr 1978
Residence: 11791 (Syosset, Nassau, NY)
SSN: 094-01-7558

Did we mention this one? Don't recall one from Syosset...

Is there an entry for him in this post somewhere.. just curious..

(I'm pooped today...)

The Antonio I've been posting about was an older one...

Maria

You mentioned that there's an Antonio Lise in the directory in 1925 but if Emma Lise was widowed he shouldn't be appearing on the directory.. So I thought maybe this Antonio Lise in the directory isn't our Antonio Lise (married to Emma).

[Marcialise]

Sorry if this was posted earlier.. too lazy to check...(hands are numb this morning..)

Would this be yours?

U.S. World War II Army Enlistment Records, 1938-1946 Record
about Louis J Lise
Name: Louis J Lise
Birth Year: 1920
Race: White, citizen
Nativity State or Country: New York
State: New York
County or City: Westchester

Enlistment Date: 28 Nov 1940
Enlistment State: New York
Enlistment City: New York City
Branch: Branch Immaterial - Warrant Officers, USA
Branch Code: Branch Immaterial - Warrant Officers, USA
Grade: Private
Grade Code: Private
Component: Selectees (Enlisted Men)
Source: Civil Life

Education: 2 years of high school
Marital Status: Single, without dependents
Height: 67
Weight: 145

Sounds like it is our Louis Lise!! Yes!! Thank you!!!

[Marcialise]

Does it actually say where Louis Lise was born?

[Marcialise]

Wohoo! Found a new record of Antonio Lise (B abt 1865)!


Name: Antonio, Lise
Arrival: Nov 11, 1906
Port of Departure: Southampton
Age: 41
Marital Status: Married
Ethnicity: Italian (NON IMMIGRANT ALIEN)
Last Place of Residence: Beluno, Italy
Occupation: Mercant
Been to US before?: Yes - 1895 - 1906
Where?: Boston
Where in US are you going to?: Family Emma Lise - Domnisilists? 146 Sullivan, New York

http://www.ellisisland.org/search/shipM ... 2324060173&

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Is it just coincidence that Antonio Lise above is listed next to a "Ponte"?
There's Eurichetta Ponte from Roma, single, 16 yrs old, taylor, who's going to her sister Antonia's place at 13 Menetta Street, New York. There is something written under health but not sure what that is..

Remember Antonio travelled with an elderly called Antonio Ponte in 1908 ? http://ellisisland.org/search/shipManif ... 0271%2ETIF

[mfjp]

Yes!! Wow, that is a great find!! I'm so happy you found that manifest.

I was looking through some records today... and found a Lise who's job was **SPAM** bottles for liquor!

Can't let go of this thread!! I think your Lise's are very much researchable...

When I have both eyes open I will review your manifest further... I did see Emma Lise's name there!! and thought woooohoooo!!

As for the directory, even though Emma's husband was dead, they kept his name in there... not unusual... I can send you the directories I collected for Emma... they may be too big to post...

It's after 3:00am...
Maria

[mfjp]

Hi Marcia,

I am trying to link Emma's directory listing but am having trouble linking it .. not as big as a file as I thought...

I'll try to link it later ... and if that doesn't work... I can email it to you...

I like this Emma and Antonio couple... will continue to figure them out... will spend some time on the manifest you recently located... aren't they priceless though??
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Documents of Interest.... Scouting around.... no known connection to your ancestors...

These people have not been researched at all... but I certainly wouldn't mind your opinions or thoughts on these ... whenever...

Liszy and Lise

In my spare time I still look for documents and I did come across 2 finds... a Lise (sp?) from a different place.... I was most intrigued by the spelling of the surname... also that the Liszy party would be joining a Joseph Liszy in New York...

But then... look at the person on line 6....

http://ellisisland.org/search/shipManif ... 2554060194&

First Name: Maria
Last Name: Liszy
Ethnicity: Hungarian, Slovak
Last Place of Residence: Kiripolcz
Date of Arrival: Aug 07, 1904
Age at Arrival: 60 Gender: F Marital Status: W
Ship of Travel: La Gascogne
Port of Departure: Havre
Manifest Line Number: 0001
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Also came across this 2 page census record of Lise's.. (many of them...) just wanted to park the jpeg files here on this page for future reference...

Name: Francis Lise
Home in 1900: Hoboken Ward 3, Hudson, New Jersey
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
BirthPlace: Italy
Relationship to head-of-house: Wife
Spouses's Name: Laney
Race: White
Occupation: View Image
Immigration year: 1894
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Laney Lise 55
Francis Lise 29
Mary Lise 12
Philomela Lise 8
Annie Lise 5
Joseph Lise 3 (William also exists....)


Link to 1900 Census -Lise Group page 1

Link to 1900 Census - Lise Group page 2

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Maria